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DuBose diagnoses Tide's ills
Saturday, May 07, 2005

The Mobile Register

To some, listening to Mike DuBose's advice on the current state of Alabama football would be akin to asking Bill Clinton for marriage counseling or Michael Jackson on picking out a family babysitter.

[The Tide]

I often wonder how some can act so hypocritical and blame Dubose for the 2nd probation in 10 years with no mention of his name on the investigation and no LOIC, yet no blame to Stallings for Alabama getting hammered even harder with the LOIC.

[TIDE-HSV]

do not copy and paste from copyrighted material. It really is illegal. Provide a couple of lines and a link...

[BAMARICH]

Hearing MD criticize Alabama is akin to listening to Herb Winches for advice on betting. Today, he gave the kiss of death to Phoenix when he stated they would win the NBA championship. Somewhere today in Phoenix, a guy is pulling Steve Nash aside and saying, "Steve... You might as well give up... you know that guy in Birmingham... he said you guys would win it all. By the way, he did it to one of the horses at the Derby this weekend too.

[Bama323]

I don't agree with what Dubose had to say about Bear Bryant. Bear would definitely have been in control of the football program, and he would have let everyone know it. He had too much power himself to ever let anyone overpower him. I don't think it would even have been an issue.

If any of what Dubose says is true, it sounds like Mal Moore would be the one to blame. As athletic Director, Mal should be the one with control over the football program in a sense that he should be able to keep other "power brokers" out of the way. I also don't think anyone ran Gene Stallings off. In my opinion, Stallings knew what he was doing when he left after the 1996 season.

[TiderinMiss]

...here's another one...

[TiderinMiss]

	Quote:	Bama323
	I don't agree with what Dubose had to say about Bear Bryant. Bear would definitely have been in control of the football program, and he would have let everyone know it. He had too much power himself to ever let anyone overpower him. I don't think it would even have been an issue. If any of what Dubose says is true, it sounds like Mal Moore would be the one to blame. As athletic Director, Mal should be the one with control over the football program in a sense that he should be able to keep other "power brokers" out of the way. I also don't think anyone ran Gene Stallings off. In my opinion, Stallings knew what he was doing when he left after the 1996 season.

This goes back before Mal Moore or even Bockrath.

While Stallings might have been seeing the "handwriting on the wall", I do believe he might would have still been coaching today had it not been for Oliver's about-face and Bockrath's and Sorenson's constant meddling.

[TideTiger2005]

Having weighed in on this on another site, here's my thoughts:

Don't forget that the root of our biggest problems the past 10 years started with one Mike Dubose.

He ran the entire program straight into the ground. From lack of discipline, to the lack of emphasis on training and conditioning, to booster involvement, to coaches infighting, to just generally terrible character choices on his own part.

When you're losing, everyone thinks they have a better plan.

When you're a very poor leader, you believe them.

When you're a poor person, you blame them, which is what Dubose is doing here.

What it all comes down to is winning.

Coach Bryant didn't run the Athletic Department because he was "The Bear". Coach Bryant was in a position of power because "all he ever did was win".

Those people talking about Bryant's total control over the program conveniently forget all of the rumblings, and there were significant rumblings, in the late 60's and 1970 when Coach Bryant was flirting with losing records instead of National Championships.

Even the Great Bear had others trying to run the program for him then.

Bryant didn't reinvent the entire program and bring in the Wishbone because he felt like it. He did so because he had to.

Anybody who tells you that Bryant didn't face the same pressures that everyone else does is fooling themselves. He was just better at adapting to the changing environment and silencing his doubters than the rest were.

Championships have a way of doing that for you.

Just look at the rumblings that the legendary Joe Pa is facing. Or what happened to Bobby Knight at Indiana. The Kings of the Mountains are run out of town as soon as the rewards stop coming in.

For Mike Dubose to say "this didn't happen with Bear" or "Bear would not have won in this environment" is not only untrue, it's a bit naive. Bear himself said otherwise.

"The alumni are starting to grumble, and I'm the one starting it." ~ Bear Bryant

The biggest difference between Mike Dubose and Bear Bryant, besides one is the greatest coach ever and the other is one of the bottom 3, is that Mike Dubose is still blaming everyone else (this time the administration) for Alabama's woes. Bear Bryant took the blame on himself, and worked to make it go away.

Maybe it is in that fundamental difference why Bryant was the greatest ever and Dubose never will be.

And it is in this very reasoning why I will never take Dubose's word on how to run a program. In my mind, he is one of the worst possible choices you can get to take advice from in this area.

In other words, he is a perfect interview for Paul Finebaum.

[TiderinMiss]

It just never made sense to me why Bama would hire a guy who had been DC for only one season and a position coach before that, and to hire this person after the Tide was placed on their first probation.

...it just never made sense...

[mikeua69]

	Quote:	TiderinMiss
	It just never made sense to me why Bama would hire a guy who had been DC for only one season and a position coach before that, and to hire this person after the Tide was placed on their first probation. ...it just never made sense...

I hear ya.

Frank Beamer always seemed the logical choice.....

[trenda]

	Quote:	TiderinMiss
	...here's another one...

That has to be the worst cut-and-paste article ever put together. It doesn't even flow.

RTR

[TidePhin]

Bama was primarily stuck with DuBose. Didn't we go after Butch Davis and Frank Beamer first. So you can't say we went after a one year D-Coord. If we would have went after a one year D-Coord., how come we didn't get Bob Stoops after the 1996 National Championship - So your theory doesn't pan out.

After Davis and Beamer turned it down, why didn't we go after Mike Price then? Price was already a proven coach.

[mlh]

Hey, TideTiger2005...PREACH IT, BROTHER! Very well said.