Hit on John Parker - Page 3

Blitzkrieg · September 28th, 2006, 12:59 PM

Majority of injuries to QB's appear to occur as a result of "head-to-heads", "spears", and "blindsides". We've noted an increase in borderline sideline hits and late hits while QB is down. Many of latter are of the "helmet-to-helmet" variety. These type hits might indicate blatant efforts to intentionally injure QB's. Quite frankly, little, except breaches of character by either coaches and/or players, can account for most of latter. Granted QB is a target and potential tackling dummy...but intention to injure w/cheap shots should be dealt/w severely. 15-yd penalties and rare removals from the game are cheap prices to pay for ruining the life of a "bluechip" QB.

TIDETilliDie · September 28th, 2006, 04:22 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	The hit was 100% legal. Just like a quaterback whos throwing the ball, if the defensive player has committed to the hit before the ball is thrown (I think two steps to be exact) its legal. You cant be expected to slow up because you think someone is going to throw or go out of bounds. If you do that and your wrong he may pull it down or turn up the sideline and go forever. This is football, not soccer!

You're missing my point....Wilson was hit out of bounds and no flag was thrown. It was a blatant late hit....go back and watch the replay.

cbi1972 · September 28th, 2006, 04:27 PM

	Quote:	TIDETilliDie
	You're missing my point....Wilson was hit out of bounds and no flag was thrown. It was a blatant late hit....go back and watch the replay.

If you have to watch the replay, it wasn't blatant.

TommyMac · September 28th, 2006, 04:49 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	The hit was 100% legal. Just like a quaterback whos throwing the ball, if the defensive player has committed to the hit before the ball is thrown (I think two steps to be exact) its legal. You cant be expected to slow up because you think someone is going to throw or go out of bounds. If you do that and your wrong he may pull it down or turn up the sideline and go forever. This is football, not soccer!

Wrong. Any hit OOB's is illegal, regardless of how much momemtum the tackler has built. Why do you think they call it OUT OF BOUNDS?

johnnychristmas · September 28th, 2006, 05:14 PM

Wow. I'm surprised by how many have responded in favor of the late hit.

When you step out of bounds the play is over. Period. You don't have to slide after you step out. And you shouldn't have to get tackled either.

I agree that it was a cheap shot, just as some of our own players responded afterwards.

LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
I've moved on. Understand SEC football is tough. Not drinking Kool-aid. Not wearing crimson colored glasses. Not pumping sunshine. Just calling it the way I see it.

12_4thetide · September 28th, 2006, 06:34 PM

	Quote:	TIDETilliDie
	You're missing my point....Wilson was hit out of bounds and no flag was thrown. It was a blatant late hit....go back and watch the replay.

I get your point exactly, no flag was thrown beacuse there was no infraction.

12_4thetide · September 28th, 2006, 06:38 PM

	Quote:	TommyMac
	Wrong. Any hit OOB's is illegal, regardless of how much momemtum the tackler has built. Why do you think they call it OUT OF BOUNDS?

If you dont know, you shouldnt comment. Im exactly right. Look the rules up. There is no infraction in the rule book listed "hitting someone out of bounds." It would fall under unnecessary roughness, as I looked up for you below!

Unneccesary roughness (disqualified if flagrant)
Foul occurs when, in the officials opinion, a player uses tactics that are uneccesary to block or tackle another player.

Any official who has ever played football or is worth his salt will not call that a late hit. He was not trying to hit him out of bounds. He lowered to hit him while JP was running down the sideline in play trying to get yards. Once the LB committed to hit JP stepped out. Nothing the linebacker could do.

12_4thetide · September 28th, 2006, 06:43 PM

	Quote:	johnnychristmas
	Wow. I'm surprised by how many have responded in favor of the late hit. When you step out of bounds the play is over. Period. You don't have to slide after you step out. And you shouldn't have to get tackled either. I agree that it was a cheap shot, just as some of our own players responded afterwards. LEGAL DISCLAIMER: I've moved on. Understand SEC football is tough. Not drinking Kool-aid. Not wearing crimson colored glasses. Not pumping sunshine. Just calling it the way I see it.

No one is in favor of a late hit. This rule is at the discretion of the official. Its obvious the LB was not trying to be dirty, he was just being a LB. JP stepped out as the LB lowered his shoulder. When people talk about it being a late hit it makes Bama fans seem like they are what everyone else claims, a bunch of cry babies! JP's not crying, nor is CMS. It also looks like were making excuses for the loss by downing the officiating or the tactics of Ark. He got hit, it obviously was not intended to be late, hard, but not late. Linebackers are suppose to his hard.

trenda · September 28th, 2006, 07:47 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	If you dont know, you shouldnt comment. Im exactly right. Look the rules up. There is no infraction in the rule book listed "hitting someone out of bounds." It would fall under unnecessary roughness, as I looked up for you below!

Are you sure about that? You might want to look at Rule 9-1 H: "No opponent shall tackle or block the runner when he is clearly out of
bounds or throw him to the ground after the ball becomes dead (A.R. 9-
1-2-XIII)."

	Quote:
	He was not trying to hit him out of bounds. He lowered to hit him while JP was running down the sideline in play trying to get yards. Once the LB committed to hit JP stepped out. Nothing the linebacker could do.

If you actually watch the replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn-PX4SMsTA), you'll see that JPW was running for the sideline with the intention of going out of bounds. The LB put a bead on him at least six yards out and gunned full speed at him. The point of impact was right at the sideline and - without a proper sideline angle - it's hard to tell if his foot was already out or not. Seeing the angle Wilson was taking, the LB could have easily have gone full speed at that angle and not him full bore when he went OOB. Anyone who's played football knows that.

Personally, I think he was out and it was a cheap shot. Apparently, some of the Tide think so as well:

	Quote:
	“I think he was ticked off," offensive coordinator Dave Rader said. “I think it surprised him and he limped a little bit too because he was hurt. I was very pleased with the way he handled it. He didn’t really say anything to me about it until Sunday." When asked to extrapolate, Rader said: “He was ticked off that someone hit him out-of-bounds and that’s not part of the game. It kind of fired him up even more."

http://www.tidesports.com/article/20...0353/1016/ts01

Note, there was no complaint, just a matter-of-fact statement.

Late hits go uncalled. It's part of the game. However, that doesn't mean people can't complain about it.

TommyMac · September 28th, 2006, 08:05 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	If you dont know, you shouldnt comment. Im exactly right. Look the rules up. There is no infraction in the rule book listed "hitting someone out of bounds." It would fall under unnecessary roughness, as I looked up for you below! Unneccesary roughness (disqualified if flagrant) Foul occurs when, in the officials opinion, a player uses tactics that are uneccesary to block or tackle another player. Any official who has ever played football or is worth his salt will not call that a late hit. He was not trying to hit him out of bounds. He lowered to hit him while JP was running down the sideline in play trying to get yards. Once the LB committed to hit JP stepped out. Nothing the linebacker could do.

No one said it was called "hitting someone out of bounds' Einstein. Regardless of how you might try to tiptoe around it, its still a penalty to hit someone OUTSIDE the PLAYING field.

Alabama Larry in Ky · September 28th, 2006, 09:59 PM

12...you are missing one of my main points. Did you play any level of tackle football. I did, and there were several times I pulled up. Like I mentioned once..."What was Mitch thinking when he saw the hard hit". And you are right this is not soccer. They give out "Red Cards" and you leave the game. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.

Big_Fan · September 28th, 2006, 10:24 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	The hit was 100% legal. Just like a quaterback whos throwing the ball, if the defensive player has committed to the hit before the ball is thrown (I think two steps to be exact) its legal. You cant be expected to slow up because you think someone is going to throw or go out of bounds. If you do that and your wrong he may pull it down or turn up the sideline and go forever. This is football, not soccer!

Sorry. Wrong answer. Out of bounds is out of bounds. The rule is different than the late hit on the passer foul.

Big_Fan · September 28th, 2006, 10:27 PM

	Quote:	12_4thetide
	If you dont know, you shouldnt comment. Im exactly right. Look the rules up. There is no infraction in the rule book listed "hitting someone out of bounds." It would fall under unnecessary roughness, as I looked up for you below! Unneccesary roughness (disqualified if flagrant) Foul occurs when, in the officials opinion, a player uses tactics that are uneccesary to block or tackle another player. Any official who has ever played football or is worth his salt will not call that a late hit. He was not trying to hit him out of bounds. He lowered to hit him while JP was running down the sideline in play trying to get yards. Once the LB committed to hit JP stepped out. Nothing the linebacker could do.

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If what you are saying was true, he would have missed JPW completely because he would have had an angle to hit him in bounds.