Will UA sue the ncaa?

[tide69]

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Now that Marsh and Robbins are going to be dropped as defendants in the Cotrell-Williams suit against the ncaa,will the university file against the ncaa?

On one of PF's interviews with Gallion I think I remember Gallion saying something about "the possibility of dropping Marsh and Williams from the suit and maybe then the UA would file suit against the ncaa.


I'm not sure I actually heard this or it was wishful thinking on my part.If true,what kind of charges do you think UA would file against the ncaa?

Does anyone else remember the interview?What kind of suit could the

[Redwood Forrest]

I don't know the 'legalese' terms but YES they should sue the NCAA and the SEC office.

[TerryP]

What most people fail to consider is something that both the BOT and President Witt weigh heavily. What they weigh against everything else is the reprocussions that are bound to happen if UA sues and loses. I shudder thinking about the possiblities if that were to happen.

Granted, you hear a lot on PF and read quite a bit around the 'net on the facts that have been released so far. But, most don't know a 10th of what was going on at the Capstone during the DuBose tenure. Believe it, we are not lily white in this matter.

Two thoughts to keep in mind. First of all, we aren't forced as a school to be a part of the NCAA. But, as a member we are agreeing to abide by their rulings no matter how arbitrary they may be.

On a slightly different note...now that some in the state legislature are talking about inquiries by congress we should be more than willing to sit back and see what transpires. The Congress and it's investigations can do A LOT more damage to the NCAA than Alabama could ever dream of even if the University did decide to sue and won.

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[TideFaninFl]

I do not think that the University will sue the ncaa EVER. Marsh and Robbins will be witnesses in the Gallion case (and maybe Shanks). This will do more damage than if UA sued, and they will not have a sticky problem IF the lawsuits are lost. After it is all over, then the University can approach the ncaa and ask them to remove all trace of the offenses. No, they will never regain what is lost, however, the ncaa doing this retroactively helps the ncaa look good and may save them. These trials are going to do alot of damage to the ncaa (and UT as well).

[bayoutider]

There is nothing for UA to gain from suing the NCAA. UA is past the penalty phase of our sanctions. UA will petition the SEC for their share of lost bowl revenue and move on.

The Cottrell, Williams trial however will be the cast that reveals what may have actually happened and give us, as fans, some satisfaction. Same for the Logan Young case, we may get some satisfaction from that as well.

What could give us the most satisfaction is if there is if congress looks into the way the NCAA does their business and forces change.

There is no way the Uiversity will sue the NCAA, IMO and the opinion of many others. UA cannot get back scholorships, lost recruits, lost games due to sanctions, the humiliation, or speculated lost revenue.

[TIDE-HSV]

I think I've said this already maybe 50 times, but don't hold your breath waiting for UA to sue. After our appeal was denied, we had an excellent case - an open and shut case that the NCAA was not following its own rules. Despite this, the BOT decided the wiser course was not to sue. All the Gallion disclosures (assuming they hold up) have done is to make a hypothetical case for UA better. But it was already very, very good. Most of what UA wants will come as a result of the Gallion suits and legislative action - without the huge downside risks filing ourselves. I don't think there is anything now which can come to light which will change this decision. I have personally heard members of the BOT say this. But, since we still have 130+ days to endure before football returns, we may as well discuss this, say, 50 more times...

[bamamoss2]

TerryP,TideFaninFl and bayoutider have made the points I would regarding why th U of A will not sue the NCAA. We belong to the NCAA and are bound by the government of the organization.

It sucks, but we have not viable alternative.


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[bayoutider]

While we are beating this dead horse here are a couple other things to chew on.

1. Say the NCAA gave UA back the lost scholarships. We are still bound by the 85/105 rule. And, other coaches could actually use the numbers against us arguing that Bama would be a less likely place to go for early playing time.

2. Return of Bowl revenue. The University can already petition the SEC for a share of lost bowl money. There is argument that Bama was the SEC West Champs in 2002 which would have given us another game plus a bowl bid. I don't see how that can be returned to UA. The time and games cannot be replayed.

3. National media harm against Alabama. Well, we have had to endure that much longer than I care to remember and national bias against us will remain long after the sanctions are over.

Even if Gallion wins for Cottrell and Williams, Stevens wins his suit and Logan Young wins. The general public will still only remember that Bama cheated, whether it is ever proven there was a conspiracy or not.

[tide69]

Here's a hypothetical situation.Senator Shelby does call for a congressional investigation which determines that the ncaa is guilty of overlooking UT infractions in order to get the goods on Bama.Also let's say they find that Brand,Renfro,and Johanningmeier are the main culprits in the conspiracy.Futhermore,it's proven that Kramer was in on it.

What would be the consequences of such investigation findings?Surely,there would be some repercussions within the ncaa and also SEC.Would Brand et al at least be fired?Since Kramer has already retired I suppose there wouldn't be any dire consequences for him.

[TerryP]

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Congrats! Took awhile, didn't it?


Sadly enough, I'm on my third username. One before the "crash of '99," one after and now this one. Geez...I figure I'm at about 11,000 or more.

I need a hobby besides all the golf I play, don't I?

[NCTIDEFAN]

	Quote:
	<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TerryP: I need a hobby besides all the golf I play, don't I?[/B]</font>

I wanted to get a new girlfriend as a hobby. But, my wife didn't like the idea.

RTR



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[TIDE-HSV]

Well, you could have given her the choice between a new girlfriend or more golf. She might have jumped at the golf. Poor Terry doesn't have anyone to make jealous...

[Dr. Know]

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	<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TIDE-HSV: I think I've said this already maybe 50 times, but don't hold your breath waiting for UA to sue. After our appeal was denied, we had an excellent case - an open and shut case that the NCAA was not following its own rules. Despite this, the BOT decided the wiser course was not to sue. All the Gallion disclosures (assuming they hold up) have done is to make a hypothetical case for UA better. But it was already very, very good. Most of what UA wants will come as a result of the Gallion suits and legislative action - without the huge downside risks filing ourselves. I don't think there is anything now which can come to light which will change this decision. I have personally heard members of the BOT say this. But, since we still have 130+ days to endure before football returns, we may as well discuss this, say, 50 more times... </font>

May I ask this! Is it possible to have our remaining probation dropped? Assuming the ncaa would be found in the wrong in on going cases.