Question: Miles vs. Saban: Bringing the gavel down - Page 5

January 28th, 2009, 03:55 PM

	Quote:	resmith
	Let's just say that I am happy to have CNS and that LSU has CLM. And that is all that I care about in regard to this discussion.

Agreed.

CullmanTide · January 28th, 2009, 05:06 PM

	Quote:	crimson_blood
	Moebert, are you a closet corndog?

Most posters on here from rival schools are honest about who the root for. That is not always the case however. Its good to hear opinions from fans of different schools. Its not good when some pretend to be something other than who they really are.

moebert · January 28th, 2009, 08:24 PM

Been a Bama fan since I was 5 and got my first hat for Christmas. Don't really care who believes me or doesn't believe me, but I refuse to wear my Crimson colored glasses all day long. I've always been one to tell it like it is no matter the subject. I appreciate Nick Saban for what he has done for my Crimson Tide but will not let that blur my perception of other coaches abilities. There are other good coaches outside of T-town. Personally, I wouldn't trade CNS for any coach in the nation but that doesn't change the fact that Les has done a superb job at LSU.

This year LSU ran into a couple of unfortunate circumstances that was the cause of them losing 5 games, not cause "Nick's talent is gone". That is the lamest argument I've ever heard. Those of you using that argument seem to be trying to convince yourselves that Saban's recruits are touched by angels. Losing your starting QB and D coordinator aren't excuses, they're unfortunate circumstances that could happen to any team.

It is what it is, both coaches are worthy of praise.

crimson_blood · January 28th, 2009, 09:22 PM

	Quote:	moebert
	Been a Bama fan since I was 5 and got my first hat for Christmas. Don't really care who believes me or doesn't believe me, but I refuse to wear my Crimson colored glasses all day long. I've always been one to tell it like it is no matter the subject. I appreciate Nick Saban for what he has done for my Crimson Tide but will not let that blur my perception of other coaches abilities. There are other good coaches outside of T-town. Personally, I wouldn't trade CNS for any coach in the nation but that doesn't change the fact that Les has done a superb job at LSU. This year LSU ran into a couple of unfortunate circumstances that was the cause of them losing 5 games, not cause "Nick's talent is gone". That is the lamest argument I've ever heard. Those of you using that argument seem to be trying to convince yourselves that Saban's recruits are touched by angels. Losing your starting QB and D coordinator aren't excuses, they're unfortunate circumstances that could happen to any team. It is what it is, both coaches are worthy of praise.

I am picking up a strong corndog scent coming from the closet. Come on outta there, Moebert.

Seriously, you are the only Bama fan I've ever heard heaping high praises on Lester Miles. I don't buy it...

crains · January 28th, 2009, 09:44 PM

I agree with you crimson blood!!! I dont buy it either! It is the responsibilty of the head coach to adequately replace his defensive coordinator, the same as it was for Saban to replace his offensive coordinator! It seems their defense played quite well! You can say what you want, he won the NC with the talent Saban recruited! At the present time their are only 2 outstanding coaches in the SEC and that is Saban and Myer not Myles!!! My opinion is Saban is the best! He took over programs that were down and built them! Myer and Myles inherited programs with a lot of talent! What did Myles accomplish before he came to LSU???

bayoutider · January 28th, 2009, 09:54 PM

	Quote:	crains
	I agree with you crimson blood!!! I dont buy it either! It is the responsibilty of the head coach to adequately replace his defensive coordinator, the same as it was for Saban to replace his offensive coordinator! It seems their defense played quite well! You can say what you want, he won the NC with the talent Saban recruited! At the present time their are only 2 outstanding coaches in the SEC and that is Saban and Myer not Myles!!! My opinion is Saban is the best! He took over programs that were down and built them! Myer and Myles inherited programs with a lot of talent! What did Myles accomplish before he came to LSU???

Les beat Bob Stoops Sooners in Norman his first year at OSU then did it again the fololowing year. Stoops won the next two meetings.

Bamabuzzard · January 28th, 2009, 10:02 PM

I think the comparing records of when Nick was at LSU and Miles is comparing apples to oranges.

Part of Nick's tenure was spent rebuilding the program while Miles hasn't had to rebuild. They didn't start off in the same place so to sit there and say Miles has had a better record and better "star rating" with respect to recruiting is a bit, well a lot misleading. The first two to three years was reshaping and rebuilding the program for Nick. Miles on the other hand walked into a program that had already gone through the rebuilding process and didn't need any foundation work.

If the two would have started off in the same situation at LSU I could buy the statistical comparison. But since one started off rebuilding a program and the other started off with just having to reload then those statistics don't mean squat.

They're both good coaches.

rizolltizide · January 29th, 2009, 09:33 AM

	Quote:	moebert
	and Miles has sustained, if not bettered, that. The man won 11 games three years straight. Saban didn't come close to that in a three year stretch. About as well, if not better, as Saban did before arriving to LSU. Again, i challenge any team to be successful after losing their starting QB right before the season. I don't care how much talent you have. All this talk about him inheriting Nick's talent as the reason to his success is a wash cause Miles is racking in just as much talent.

You have to hang this one on Lester. It is not like their starting QB went down with an injury. Was this the first time Perrilloux was in trouble? I don't think so. And many people, LSU fans included, said RP should have already been gone because this is what was going to happen, and it did. No body to blame but himself, or whoever was responsible for recruiting QB's.

BamaMoon · January 29th, 2009, 02:49 PM

I'll throw this into the discussion (a few days late). I know it takes luck to win championships, but that 2007 LSU championship team was the luckiest I've ever seen! And to do it with two losses was even more amazing!!! If LSU doesn't back into the national championship in 07 this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Disclaimer for my LSU friends: I will have to admit that if Bama ever wins a BCS championship by getting lucky, despite losing 2 games, and even if they "back into it" WE'LL TAKE IT AND BRAG ABOUT IT TOO!!!

red55 · January 29th, 2009, 03:07 PM

	Quote:	BamaMoon
	I'll throw this into the discussion (a few days late). I know it takes luck to win championships, but that 2007 LSU championship team was the luckiest I've ever seen!

Well, no one had a better record except the other team in the National Championship game and LSU beat them! Two triple-overtime losses simply beats the decisive defeats of the other 2-loss contenders.

BamaBeta · January 29th, 2009, 03:35 PM

	Quote:	BamaMoon
	Disclaimer for my LSU friends: I will have to admit that if Bama ever wins a BCS championship by getting lucky, despite losing 2 games, and even if they "back into it" WE'LL TAKE IT AND BRAG ABOUT IT TOO!!!

Here, here.

BamaMoon · January 29th, 2009, 03:47 PM

	Quote:	red55
	Well, no one had a better record except the other team in the National Championship game and LSU beat them! Two triple-overtime losses simply beats the decisive defeats of the other 2-loss contenders.

Didn't say it wasn't real or deserved, just lucky. I'd say the same thing about OSU if they would have won. I'd say the same thing about Bama if they would have won that way too.

I guess what I also didn't explain is what I would consider the "luck" it took to get to 12 wins that year (regardlss of the two losses). Some of those fourth down conversions and last minute wins... it just seemed the stars were aligned for Les and LSU that year.

You did read my disclaimer didn't you?

bayoutider · January 29th, 2009, 04:55 PM

	Quote:	red55
	Well, *no one had a better record* except the other team in the National Championship game and LSU beat them! Two triple-overtime losses simply beats the decisive defeats of the other 2-loss contenders.

Kansas did. 12-1