Question: Miles vs. Saban: Bringing the gavel down

Crimson Surfer · January 26th, 2009, 01:03 PM

Hopefully this article will not turn into some heated Miles vs. Saban exhanges. I just thought it was an interesting read from a Louisiana perspective even though I do not agree with some of what is said in the article about Coach Saban.

Miles vs. Saban: Bringing the gavel down

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	My first question: Better coach, Miles or Saban? The responses: “Saban.” “Saban, no question.” “Saban.” “Saban, without a doubt.” “Saban, easily.”

SavannahDare · January 26th, 2009, 01:14 PM

Interesting. I actually agree on almost all counts. That being said, Alabama needed a jerk ("euphemism for worse-than-jerk") to come in and straighten out our mess of a program. A "nice" guy wasn't able to do it. A "nice" guy actually made it worse.

I'll take a jerk ("euphemism for worse-than-jerk") to coach my team any day.

BamaFossil · January 26th, 2009, 01:37 PM

Interesting read. Fortunately, people can adapt their styles if they feel the need to. In that vein (and to the extent the characterizations in the article are somewhat accurate), I'll take Coach Saban and bet he's already modified his interface with HS coaches if he thinks he needs to; rather than bet on Les getting better with the x's and o's.

wileybb22 · January 26th, 2009, 01:46 PM

I guess my only factor between the two is that I have gone thru a lot of losing years with the past coaches and for one am glad to have Nick on our side. He has something going on to pursade these kids to come to Alabama. He may not be the most likeable guy to coach for but for my selfish reasons I don't care. Les is winning with players that Nick recruited and turned that program around before he ever left. Now he's doing it at Alabama. Put them side by side and Nicks going home with me. Nice guy or great coach. Which would you pick? I think I know the answer. For me anyway...First post on this site and glad to be here...

sweetbamabelle · January 26th, 2009, 01:56 PM

Saban is a great coach. BUT, what makes Saban GREAT for Alabama is that we needed someone with his personality to come in and tell the BOT and the good ole boys to stick it in their ears, he had a football program to run AND if they didn't like it, he'd take a hike. THAT is what we have in Coach Saban and THAT is why they respect him. Coach Bryant had it, and I don't think any coach we've had since him had the kahunas to stand up and tell 'em until Coach Saban walked through the the door.

That's what I think and I don't care if anyone else agrees with me. AND, if Coach Saban leaves, if we don't get someone else with that kind of personality, it's all going South in a hurry.

TiderinMiss · January 26th, 2009, 02:00 PM

The timing worked out well for Bama. Had we waited another year, Coach Saban could have ended up back at LSU or at another big-time college program.

Some of their fans may hate him, but they would take him back in a heartbeat.

BamaBoots · January 26th, 2009, 02:15 PM

	Quote:	sweetbamabelle
	Saban is a great coach. BUT, what makes Saban GREAT for Alabama is that we needed someone with his personality to come in and tell the BOT and the good ole boys to stick it in their ears, he had a football program to run AND if they didn't like it, he'd take a hike. THAT is what we have in Coach Saban and THAT is why they respect him. Coach Bryant had it, and I don't think any coach we've had since him had the kahunas to stand up and tell 'em until Coach Saban walked through the the door. That's what I think and I don't care if anyone else agrees with me. AND, if Coach Saban leaves, if we don't get someone else with that kind of personality, it's all going South in a hurry.

Sweet, I believe Coach Stallings was his own man for sure.

BamaBoots · January 26th, 2009, 02:29 PM

I still think Les' inner buffoon may eventually prevail and drag the LSU program down a notch or two ... from P.C. Pachyderm in October 2008

I ageed and it happened. Will his talent save him or will he not fully utilize it. I think the latter.

Also could you explain to me why a defensive player especially would want to go anywhere else and on top of that why any defensive back would go someplace else?

Jack Bourbon · January 26th, 2009, 02:59 PM

Nice guys finish last.

resmith · January 26th, 2009, 03:24 PM

Almost to a man, none of the coaches who have won national championships at Alabama were Mr. Nice Guy personalities. They were there own men, had a vision of what it took to win, and stood by those principles come he** or high water, or what the BOT thought or anyone else thought.
As CPB used to say "the fun is in the winning". I wouldn't trade CNS for anyone else in the country. I don't care how hard he works his staff-he is working just as hard, if not harder than they are. I don't care how hard he is on the players-he is trying to help them achieve excellence in everything that they do. I don't care what the media thinks of him-and neither does he-as long as he continues to run this program like he is doing. That means hard work, discipline, teaching fundamentals, running a clean recruiting program, and great attention to details.
Seems to me he sounds a lot like some of those coaches I mentioned in the above paragraph.

Bama63 · January 26th, 2009, 03:29 PM

	Quote:	BamaBoots
	Sweet, I believe Coach Stallings was his own man for sure.

Yes, and he proved it by leaving when he wasn't treated right!

RTR

kausman · January 26th, 2009, 03:33 PM

It's also important to remember that the Saban coaching at Alabama is not necessarily the same Saban who coached at LSU. He left, went to the NFL, he was humbled, and he returned to college. I think he's more flexible now than he was in the past, and I get the feeling he's trying to work on improving his "public image". It would be a much different story if Coach Saban was dealing with these high-school coaches (in the aforementioned article) now.

I, myself, had a short conversation with Coach Saban after he was first hired. Granted I'm just a fan, but he answered my questions and treated me with great respect. I will never forget that exchange.

thunderz7 · January 26th, 2009, 06:06 PM

Perk is a jerk too but we needed him when he was hired.

So CNS is a jerk?
Am I suposed to give em 3 points on that brainstorm?

But PLEASE = don't insult anyones mind with the "Miles is a nice guy" crap.
Less win a nice guy contest = maybe if Hitler was the only competition.

Less might win a pompous contest.
He might win a contest to see who is loudest - (unless Joe Kines and Micky Andrews enter)

Nick is a better coach.
Nick is a better jerk.
Less is a better pompous @$$.

UGA may have a "nice guy" coaching there!