Lane Kiffin and UT's Staff, Good or Bad for the SEC? - Page 3

PDL · March 24th, 2009, 04:03 PM

	Quote:	Bama323
	It wasn't very smart to start your first post on this board by disrespecting Alabama fans. If you want to resort to trivial name calling, you need to do it on another board. To answer your question, I don't really care about Lane Kiffin, but the fact that you felt compelled to come onto our board and use your first post to question us about your own coach tells me alot.

I'm with ya, 323. The Kitten doesn't concern me at all except that he says things that make me laugh a lot. I'll certainly give him time to show if he's a good coach or not, but for now, based on what he's done to this point, I have an early opinion: he'll fail. Whether he is a wild success or failure doesn't matter to me, nor do I care if he's good or bad for the SEC (the only way I'll really care if he's bad is if he can somehow get all the other SEC coaches to stoop to his level, which I don't think will happen). And the fact that all these UT fans feel the need to come on a Bama board and defend him every time we say something negative about him tells me a lot about their concerns about him.

CapitalTider · March 24th, 2009, 04:08 PM

	Quote:	ALLVOL
	As far as all the "Kiffin has painted a big target" stuff I find that funny. Alabama, UF, UGA and every other school will try to beat UT as badly as possible no matter who the coach is. As Alabama fans y'all should know that.

I can't think of an instance where Alabama or Saban has tried to run up the score on anyone, even UT. We will most definitely want to beat them and I'm sure CNS will continue with his game plan until that is a foregone conclusion; but that is far different from running up the score. Even with Kiffy's comments, I doubt CNS would try to run up the score. I don't hold any such illusions about Meyer.

red55 · March 24th, 2009, 04:16 PM

	Quote:	1989CobraMakeOv
	Time will tell whether Lane Kiffin and staff will be able to get those kids ready to compete for an SEC title again, but time, and a little bit at that, has told us they're the real deal when it comes to recruiting. I don’t think anyone can argue nabbing the #1 recruit in the country, when UT wasn’t even on his list a couple months ago, wasn’t a feat worth applauding.

With LSU and Alabama at the top of the 2009 recruiting lists and Georgia ahead of Tennessee, too, the SEC is going to wait a while before anointing Kiffen some sort of Recruiting God. LSU had to cough up its 6th 5-star recruit for Tennessee to even make the top-10. Those two 5-star "committed elsewhere" recruits that Tennessee added after signing day have gotten the attention of the NCAA, I imagine. Kiffen had better be clean as a whistle, 'cause any coach in the SEC will be delighted to make an issue of it otherwise.

chuxlee · March 24th, 2009, 04:25 PM

So hiring one of the best coaching staffs in the SEC and signing the #8 class in the county, including the number 1 prospect, while only being on the job for 2 months, is equal to "diddly squat?"

Said coaching staff has never done anything as coaches, you may want to wait a few years on that one, take off your pumpkin orange glasses.
The Vol fans I know are mad that you hired a punk with crap mouth disease instead of a real coach that has proven something.
As for you being back in the fold in 1 or 2 years.. You have not recruited worth a crap where it counts, the offense and defense lines. I think you will be one of the vile fans crying for kiffens butt in year three!

CapitalTider · March 24th, 2009, 04:25 PM

	Quote:	1989CobraMakeOv
	So hiring one of the best coaching staffs in the SEC and signing the #8 class in the county, including the number 1 prospect, while only being on the job for 2 months, is equal to "diddly squat?" ok. This ridiculous statement only proves my point. Let me guess, if/when he wins games, you'll be the guy saying he's winning with Fulmer's players? Or that it's because of his dad? By not acknowledging his positive, you give no credibility to your opinions about his negatives.

As others have said, your time here will be short if you continue with that combative tone/attitude. There are numerous fans of other schools that post here civily and are very informative; several have posted in this thread. You may want to observe some of their posts.

You don't find the term "bammers" offensive? How about "viles" or "volun.....s"?

I posted this in one of the other bazillion posts on Kiffin (over half started by the UT fans on here), comparing Kiffin to Spurrier is ludicrous (not the rapper, I know how you UT/Kiffin fans love the crunk). Spurrier's comments were funny little quips, not slander. You have to be guzzling the Kool-Aid to even try and equate "You can't spell Citrus without UT" and "Urban Meyer had to cheat and still couldn't get X recruit" (I forget his name).

As others have said, Kiffin has assembled a nice staff of recruiters and his Dad. Let's wait and see if that Staff respects and follows Kiffin Jr. or if it all falls apart when Daddy retires. I'll offer up the Dubose era here to show what happens when assistants don't respect the guy in charge.

Clearly recruiting isn't all it takes to win in the SEC, Orgeron was a great recruiter, what was his record at Ole Miss again? Ron Zook could sell ice to eskimos while at UF and is still doing it at Illinois. How'd his tenure at UF go? Player development and on the field coaching are at least as important as recruiting. The jury's still out on whether Little Lane can do either, but if I were a UT fan, his stint at the Raiders would concern me.

The rest of the SEC expects the #1 recruit you are all so proud of to land you in front of the NCAA Committee on Infractions before contributing much.

Is a healthy, competitive UT program good for the SEC? Probably. Is Lane Kiffin good for the SEC? Only as the butt of jokes, which he is to the rest of the country.

Just as an FYI, my wife is a UT grad, the in-laws live in Knoxville and follow the Vols; they all think Kiffin is a buffoon.

Edit: I forgot this part. I don't see UT being "back" in two years time. I don't see UT winning the East until Meyer moves on. Even then Richt and Spurrier will be tough for them to overcome.

CapitalTider · March 24th, 2009, 05:07 PM

1989CobraMakeOv I'll tell you the truth, it might get me banned from here though.

We are all terrified of Lane Kiffin. We can all see his cunning, firing up the UT faithful with his brave proclamations, consequences be damned. We all know he was the real reason for all of USC's recent success; Carroll is such a poser. We know Monte Kiffin is the head of MENSA for defensive coaches; he's smarter than Obama. We all know with that top-notch recruiting staff, Kiffin will sign a classs of 25 5 star recruits EVERY year. Kiffin's razor sharp wit is apparent to everyone; he makes Spurrier look boring. We are all secretly envious. My only concern, if I were a UT fan, would be that the rest of the SEC will mortgage their souls to hire him away from you. I mean no one in their right mind would leave that bastion of integrity, that beacon on the hill in Knoxville, but money might tempt some (probably not someone as wonderful as Kiffin though). But just to be on the safe side, I would immediately start writing the UT President asking him to give Kiffin a lifetime contract, pay him a billion dollars if you have to, more even, WHATEVER it takes to keep him. I just hope his Holiness Kiffin hasn't been offended by Alabama and takes it easy on us from here on out.

VolFan1 · March 24th, 2009, 05:15 PM

	Quote:	bamanut_aj
	a bammer's perspective? wow.

I just assumed that wasn't anything you called people on a Bama message board

BurnTheBarnDown · March 24th, 2009, 05:15 PM

	Quote:	CapitalTider
	1989CobraMakeOv I'll tell you the truth, it might get me banned from here though. We are all terrified of Lane Kiffin. We can all see his cunning, firing up the UT faithful with his brave proclamations, consequences be damned. We all know he was the real reason for all of USC's recent success; Carroll is such a poser. We know Monte Kiffin is the head of MENSA for defensive coaches; he's smarter than Obama. We all know with that top-notch recruiting staff, Kiffin will sign a classs of 25 5 star recruits EVERY year. Kiffin's razor sharp wit is apparent to everyone; he makes Spurrier look boring. We are all secretly envious. My only concern, if I were a UT fan, would be that the rest of the SEC will mortgage their souls to hire him away from you. I mean no one in their right mind would leave that bastion of integrity, that beacon on the hill in Knoxville, but money might tempt some (probably not someone as wonderful as Kiffin though). But just to be on the safe side, I would immediately start writing the UT President asking him to give Kiffin a lifetime contract, pay him a billion dollars if you have to, more even, WHATEVER it takes to keep him. I just hope his Holiness Kiffin hasn't been offended by Alabama and takes it easy on us from here on out.

Burn him at the stake for bringing our jealousy and fear into the light!

Relayer · March 24th, 2009, 05:24 PM

1989CobraMakeOv,

From reading your posts I think I see why you admire Kiffen and his antics.

CapitalTider · March 24th, 2009, 05:26 PM

	Quote:	BurnTheBarnDown
	Burn him at the stake for bringing our jealousy and fear into the light!

That's okay, my soul will be saved. I've seen the radiance that is Kiffin.

VolFan1 · March 24th, 2009, 05:33 PM

	Quote:	1989CobraMakeOv
	I'm a Tennessee fan, and just wanted to get a bammers perspective on Lane Kiffin and UT's staff. Personally, I think it's good for the SEC (bias of course), because rather you admit it or not, Tennessee should be back to a national contender in the near (1-2 years) future, which is good for the SEC. It's just one more team from the SEC that will have a chance at a BCS bowl/NC. His antics are somewhat questionable, but everyone’s a little quirky. Take Nick Saben for instance, I think it's a given that he's a good coach and recruiter, but he didn't come to AL without controversy, “I’m not gonna be the Alabama coach.” Time will tell whether Lane Kiffin and staff will be able to get those kids ready to compete for an SEC title again, but time, and a little bit at that, has told us they're the real deal when it comes to recruiting. I don’t think anyone can argue nabbing the #1 recruit in the country, when UT wasn’t even on his list a couple months ago, wasn’t a feat worth applauding. What are your thoughts? Try to be objective....

UT fan here. I am hoping for the best and a return to the top of the SEC and National scene. That is all I will say about that for now. I don't think a Bama board is the place for UT fans to discuss amongst themselves what they of their program. We have VolNation for that.
In is fine to ask for opinions, and here the will let you know what they think. You will not find as honest of a group when it comes to what is on their mind about UT football. We ask and they tell. The guys here are not drinking the orange kool-aid or looking through the orange glasses. You get their real opinion.

One thing you will have to learn here...and quickly. You have to respect the posters of this board. You respect them, and they will respect you back.

You better be able to take a ribbing from the Bama fans and not be easily offended. If you are easily offended, you are in the wrong place.

Coming in and calling people on this board Bammers....not a good idea.

You come on here and be repectful and you will get respect in return.

You come on here bashing or making fun...and you can forget it.

Just some words of advice from a fellow UT fan.