Game Thread: *** POST-GAME *** ALABAMA 38 @ Kentucky 20 - Page 6

bamarodd · October 4th, 2009, 08:14 AM

It seems to me most everything Coach does is for a purpose. Not to run up the score. If so, we wouldn't have run umpteen plays up the middle late.

NYBamaFan · October 4th, 2009, 08:15 AM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	The fake FG and throwing it on 4th say the exact same thing which is running the score up...

We will have to agree to disagree.

My question to you - what, before this game, has Saban done to make you think that he has a tendency to run up scores on opponents?

Sometimes you need to look at a coach's body of work to get a feel for what might really be going on...

jangalang · October 4th, 2009, 08:24 AM

	Quote:	bamarodd
	It seems to me most everything Coach does is for a purpose. Not to run up the score. If so, we wouldn't have run umpteen plays up the middle late.

CrimsonBleedRed · October 4th, 2009, 08:48 AM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	The fake FG and throwing it on 4th say the exact same thing which is running the score up. That whole series was odd. Throw in the delay of game call and it gets weird. If you are going to run the offense and throw it into the EZ then put the 2's in. Why are we trying to throw an FU touchdown up by 18 on the road.....

I disagree. The throwing on 4th you could make a case of trying to run up the score, but the fake field goal had one purpose and one purpose only.........to keep the clock moving. The commentators of the game said as much. Saban was not trying to run up the score.

2003TIDE · October 4th, 2009, 09:01 AM

	Quote:	NYBamaFan
	We will have to agree to disagree. My question to you - what, before this game, has Saban done to make you think that he has a tendency to run up scores on opponents? Sometimes you need to look at a coach's body of work to get a feel for what might really be going on...

He's done nothing like that before. That's why I'm posting it. If we haven't done it before, why do it on the road against KY up by 18 on the road unless it is for style points. Looked like something Urban Meyer would do.

NYBamaFan · October 4th, 2009, 09:06 AM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	He's done nothing like that before. That's why I'm posting it. If we haven't done it before, why do it on the road against KY up by 18 on the road unless it is for style points. Looked like something Urban Meyer would do.

Then maybe you should have asked the question instead of jumping to conclusions (that he was trying to run up the score).

I am not trying to kill you for this - just saying that things are not always what they seem.

Peace...

coUrAgeWins · October 4th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Here were the options:

Run up the middle (again) and not make 1st down, clock stops when play is blown dead for change of posession. UK has 1min+ left on board.

Kick FG. High probablity of make. REALLY looks like you are just padding the score and doesn't take much time off the board, AND we have to kick off. Might I remind you of our kick-off coverage.

Short pass to the flats, if INT then not much coverage from the OFF to make a tackle.

Pass to the EZ. If make, then up by 7 more. If INT, much more coverage by the OFF to tackle. If INT and tackle in the EZ, then balls comes out to 20, about where it was.

With 4th and about 7, I believe it was, UK was most assuredly gonna get the ball back. Unless we kicked a FG.

A run up the middle had about a 20% chance of sucess, IMO, based on the way UK was crowding the line.

The pass to the EZ perhaps a little higher percentage of success.

A pass to the flats probably had a higher percentage of success, but also risker if INT.

You can make arguments for or against any of these options. If this is the kind of stuff we are complaining about, then halleluah.

RhodeIslandRed · October 4th, 2009, 12:36 PM

... And if UK were interested in ending the game, then why did they keep calling timeouts?
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RammerJammer14 · October 4th, 2009, 01:55 PM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	The fake FG and throwing it on 4th say the exact same thing which is running the score up. That whole series was odd. Throw in the delay of game call and it gets weird. If you are going to run the offense and throw it into the EZ then put the 2's in. Why are we trying to throw an FU touchdown up by 18 on the road.....

We ran the fake to run out the clock. Kicking the FG would have been running up the score. Up by 18, why add on three, right? Kentucky was calling timeouts, so they obviously wanted to keep the game alive. The fake FG put them back in their place.

The throw to the endzone was also a shot across Kentucky's bow. We could have kicked a FG, again trying to run up the score, or we could have run it up the middle again. A run up the middle would not have burned any time, because the clock stops for change of possession. Since Kentucky was pretending that it was still a game, we decided to throw the TD pass to tell them who is boss and quit prolonging the inevitable. If you make it, great. If not, they get the ball on the 20, which is better than a kickoff for us. And on a semi side-note, that pass should have been a TD. It went right through McCoy's hands and he didn't make the catch.

BEATtutorsee · October 4th, 2009, 09:53 PM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	The fake FG and throwing it on 4th say the exact same thing which is running the score up. That whole series was odd. Throw in the delay of game call and it gets weird. If you are going to run the offense and throw it into the EZ then put the 2's in. Why are we trying to throw an FU touchdown up by 18 on the road.....

	Quote:	bamarodd
	It seems to me most everything Coach does is for a purpose. Not to run up the score. If so, we wouldn't have run umpteen plays up the middle late.

Here's your answer 2003TIDE. If we were trying to run up the score we wouldn't have basically run the ball on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs the entire 4th quarter. We could have easily hung 10 or more points (in the 4th quarter) on UK had we wanted to IMO.

dvldog · October 5th, 2009, 06:58 AM

I have idea re: running up the score exept to offer that the avg fan probably would not take the time to run through all the plausible scenarios offered here. Most would probably just look at the play and go "running up the score." Just my .02.

2003TIDE · October 5th, 2009, 08:24 AM

	Quote:	BEATtutorsee
	Here's your answer 2003TIDE. If we were trying to run up the score we wouldn't have basically run the ball on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs the entire 4th quarter. We could have easily hung 10 or more points (in the 4th quarter) on UK had we wanted to IMO.

That answers nothing. If you are going to run it up the middle 3 times in a row, why run a fake FG on 4th? Then we run it up the middle 3 more times and throw it into the endzone on 4th down?

Any yes we were trying to score. Anyone who says otherwise is spewing a lot of B.S. You don't throw it into the endzone and have the ball go through the receiver's hands on a play designed or called "not to score".

NYBamaFan · October 5th, 2009, 08:34 AM

	Quote:	2003TIDE
	That answers nothing. If you are going to run it up the middle 3 times in a row, why run a fake FG on 4th? ...

Because they used their timeouts. They were losing by 3 scores, and Saban just wanted to run out the clock. Most coaches, in that spot, just let the other team run the clock out. At that point, the game is over and you want those young men off the field without risk of injury. UK didn't agree, I guess.

Arkansas did, and how did that game end?