Lane Kiffin coach of the year? - Page 4

Volunteer · November 1st, 2009, 07:40 PM

	Quote:	jps1983
	There was a great article on BOL about recruiting talent that showed where the most 4 and 5 star players went over the last 5 years. UT was in the top 10...and still only a .500 team; FSU is in the same boat. If you look at the talent at UT, it's hard to say CLK deserves COTY unless you REALLY drink the orange kool-aid.

I happen to think recruiting is vitally important but do not put a lot of stock in recruiting ratings. As for the current state of Vol recruiting, I am ecstatic that we received our eighth defensive line commitment today and can't wait to see what Monte and Lane can actually do with players that FIT their system. You are probally familiar with the fact that Lane purged the roster last winter of several names that were familar to those that follow recruiting.
Tennessee does not have talent on par with Florida,Bama,UGA, or LSU. Our talent is closer to Auburn and South Carolina and the article even bears that out. But more importantly, this isn't the NFL where you have free agency. Lane was dealt the hand that he is currently playing quite well. Because of some recruiting misses, he started two walkons on the o-line against Bama. If you truly believe what you write, why would he have to resort to playing walkons? In addition, their best linebacker was former walkon Nick Reveiz who was injured against Ohio, which had a direct impact on our loss to Auburn the following week. Remember guys, this is year one in learning an offense and defense. It seems I recall that Saban only went 6-6 and lost to La-Monroe in his first year.
Even though you can make the case that Tennessee has some talent, which they do, it was not recruited by the current staff and might not FIT.

trenda · November 1st, 2009, 07:50 PM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	It seems I recall that Saban only went 6-6 and lost to La-Monroe in his first year.

Do you recall any Bama fans actively promoting Saban for Coach of the Year on other schools' fan forums that season? That was the topic of your thread here.

Volunteer · November 1st, 2009, 08:26 PM

	Quote:	trenda
	Do you recall any Bama fans actively promoting Saban for Coach of the Year on other schools' fan forums that season? That was the topic of your thread here.

It was more of a response to Mr Nicholas's article and the fact that Lane was ranked last according to him. I think alot of people are wanting Tennessee to remain down but in spite of their wishes, it's not going to happen. I would love to see Tennessee and Alabama in the SECC game in the next couple of years. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

4thGenBamaGrad · November 1st, 2009, 08:47 PM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	It was more of a response to Mr Nicholas's article and the fact that Lane was ranked last according to him. I think alot of people are wanting Tennessee to remain down but in spite of their wishes, it's not going to happen. I would love to see Tennessee and Alabama in the SECC game in the next couple of years. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

Totally fair response/thread to a pretty harsh assessment by Jess in his column. (And this is coming from someone who grew up in Tennessee and, therefore, always hated UT infinitely more than Auburn.)
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mikes12 · November 1st, 2009, 09:05 PM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	It was more of a response to Mr Nicholas's article and the fact that Lane was ranked last according to him. I think alot of people are wanting Tennessee to remain down but in spite of their wishes, it's not going to happen. I would love to see Tennessee and Alabama in the SECC game in the next couple of years. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

Once you guys beat Florida it will. As much as I hate to admit, I think it happens either next year or the one after. That is IF Kiffin can keep discipline.

mittman · November 1st, 2009, 10:43 PM

	Quote:	bnhonest
	SEC coach of the year...I think there are typically two mindsets. One is the coach of which team has the best performance start to finish. The other is the coach that gets the most from him his team that had the least expectations. As of right now, lets eliminate these: Houston Nutt Bobby Johnson Mark Richt Steve Spurrior Of the teams with that people expected to do well, you have: Urban Meyer Nick Saban Les Miles Of those with little to no expectations: Dan Mullen-Team is playing better, but ultimately not winning. He is not a likely candidate unless he pulls some rabbits and finishes strong. Rich Brooks:Also needing to have a strong finish to be a candidate. Bobby Petrino: Same boat. Cheezit: Should beat Furman. Can be a strong candidate if he beats UGA and gets his team to 8 wins. Kiffin: I am not sure if his 8-4 is better than cheezits 8-4. So I say its between Saban/Meyer/Miles/Kiffin/Cheezit, depending on how the remaining schedule plays out. Plenty of football left to be played. Come to think of it, my post is pretty pointless.

LOL, that's b-n-honest

I do think you have really shown how unlikely he will win though. Too many more viable alternatives.

bama119 · November 2nd, 2009, 06:49 AM

	Quote:	herri026
	Although he has recruited well so far and seems to have his players excited, I think that the job of head football coach has so much more to it than that. I think setting a positive example for young men is a pretty important part of the job, and I don't think he's done this yet. Whether or not UT wins out, I'd be very surprised if CLK wins any coach of the year awards. The establishment isn't going to reward someone who has been shooting off at the mouth and acting like a child since he was hired.

I totally agree. Being a good college football coach is much more than wins( which we all love). Part of the job is molding young men in a positive way. By his childish actions he has fallen way short in this area.

Mystical · November 2nd, 2009, 08:39 AM

This is what smoking does to your brain.

Squirrely · November 2nd, 2009, 09:14 AM

Sorry, Little Kiffin falls way short of what Coach of the Year should be.......
It isn't like Tenn doesn't have talent there to do better than what they've done this year. Maybe one day a program from the East will give Florida some competition the East, but only time will tell who that team will be. I sure hope someone gives them some of a fight for the East because they've had it way to easy lately.

Plus, Little Kiffin is the last person I'd want shaping my son into a Man. Now if he grows-up, and does good with the talent Tennessee has, he would have my vote. Now his father is a different story, and I'd vote for him. I still have a hard time believe they're related because the Apple feel very far from the tree in this case.......

ROLL TIDE

JeffAtlanta · November 2nd, 2009, 09:44 AM

It should go Saban/Meyer/Miles - whoever wins out.

The big dogs (UF, LSU, UA, UGA, UT) should never get any credit for moral victories.

TommyMac · November 2nd, 2009, 10:20 AM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	It was more of a response to Mr Nicholas's article and the fact that Lane was ranked last according to him. I think alot of people are wanting Tennessee to remain down but in spite of their wishes, it's not going to happen. I would love to see Tennessee and Alabama in the SECC game in the next couple of years. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

Alabama will do their part in making it happen, but y'all seem to have a Florida problem and I don't see Kiffin measuring up to Meyer anytime soon.

This COTY stuff is ridiculous, is .500 football the watermark for success at UT now?

If so, General Neyland must be spinning in his grave about now.

BamaInBham · November 2nd, 2009, 11:04 AM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	I happen to think recruiting is vitally important but do not put a lot of stock in recruiting ratings. As for the current state of Vol recruiting, I am ecstatic that we received our eighth defensive line commitment today and can't wait to see what Monte and Lane can actually do with players that FIT their system. You are probally familiar with the fact that Lane purged the roster last winter of several names that were familar to those that follow recruiting. Tennessee does not have talent on par with Florida,Bama,UGA, or LSU. Our talent is closer to Auburn and South Carolina and the article even bears that out. But more importantly, this isn't the NFL where you have free agency. Lane was dealt the hand that he is currently playing quite well. Because of some recruiting misses, he started two walkons on the o-line against Bama. If you truly believe what you write, why would he have to resort to playing walkons? In addition, their best linebacker was former walkon Nick Reveiz who was injured against Ohio, which had a direct impact on our loss to Auburn the following week. Remember guys, this is year one in learning an offense and defense. It seems I recall that Saban only went 6-6 and lost to La-Monroe in his first year. Even though you can make the case that Tennessee has some talent, which they do, it was not recruited by the current staff and might not FIT.

Saban did not have near the talent UT does. Bama started essentially 3 walk-ons on D and finished top 30 in the country. Bama was 6-2 and a 4th and 4 stop w/2 min left against eventual NC LSU from winning the West. There were 5 players, 3 starters and 2 key backups, then suspended for 4 games. Then was about to go up 16-3 against MSU when on the last play of the half JPW threw the int that was returned for a 100 yard TD. Bama did not recover til the bowl game. Kiffin has not come close to that kind of achievement this year. And get your facts straight Bama was 7-6. Even with the 5 players suspended Bama crushed UT 41-17. UT has not beaten Bama since.

BamaInBham · November 2nd, 2009, 11:10 AM

	Quote:	Volunteer
	It was more of a response to Mr Nicholas's article and the fact that Lane was ranked last according to him. I think alot of people are wanting Tennessee to remain down but in spite of their wishes, it's not going to happen. I would love to see Tennessee and Alabama in the SECC game in the next couple of years. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

It is not as much UT as Kiffin. He is a lying, classless, moron who is not good for athletics, especially college football at the level of the SEC. Someone like him winning would be hard to bear. The only coach I can remember as boorish as he was Buddy Ryan. Don Shula, who I did not care for, said the should be run out of the game.