You Make the Call 9/08

bamajake · September 8th, 2009, 10:30 AM

Here is one from the kicking game:

Red's ball, 4th and 5 from the White 8 yard line. Red lines up in a field goal formation with #12 on one knee at the 15 yard line in a position to hold for the kick. On the snap, Red #84 circles around behind Red #12. Red #12, without rising from his kneeling position, tosses the ball over his shoulder to #84 who runs untouched into the endzone. What is the call?

gman4tide · September 8th, 2009, 02:10 PM

Red touchdown. I'm thinking this is the only exception for a play not being called dead because of a knee on the ground?

VolFan1 · September 8th, 2009, 03:10 PM

I am thinking there is a penalty on K....not sure though. This is like the LSU play from a few years ago. I believe it is illegal in HS.

Krymsonman · September 8th, 2009, 03:19 PM

	Quote:	bamajake
	Here is one from the kicking game: Red's ball, 4th and 5 from the White 8 yard line. Red lines up in a field goal formation with #12 on one knee at the 15 yard line in a position to hold for the kick. On the snap, Red #84 circles around behind Red #12. Red #12, without rising from his kneeling position, tosses the ball over his shoulder to #84 who runs untouched into the endzone. What is the call?

I say touchdown because I know the holder can legally receive the ball with his knee on the ground and then get up and run. What I am not sure of is "does the holder have to take his knee off of the ground before he makes a play other than holding the ball for the kicker". Krymsonman

AlabasterBama · September 8th, 2009, 03:58 PM

In Alabama that is ruled as illegal touching. Five yard and loss of down or PA try. Holder knee has to be off the ground oor he has to lift knee of the ground

VolFan1 · September 8th, 2009, 04:28 PM

	Quote:	AlabasterBama
	In Alabama that is ruled as illegal touching. Five yard and loss of down or PA try. Holder knee has to be off the ground oor he has to lift knee of the ground

I think your answer is right.

One thing, it is not just Alabama....48 states play by NFHS rules. Only Texas and Massachusetts play by NCAA rules and those two states still have differences than what you actually will see on Saturdays.

bamajake · September 8th, 2009, 04:29 PM

Interesting guesses. The correct ruling: The ball is dead as soon as the pitch is made and White takes over on the 15. This is another difference in high school and college rules. In order for the holder to do anything other than put the ball down for the kick, he must raise his knee off of the ground. If he hands, pitches or throws the ball from his knee, the ball is dead at that spot.

aden · September 10th, 2009, 09:48 PM

great question, this is one of the scenerios we covered in detail in our training meeting.
aden

Jref · September 11th, 2009, 08:13 AM

What's interesting is that after LSU successfully ran that play against Auburn a couple of years ago, we immediately began to see HS & youth teams try it.

They didn't understand that there is a difference in the rules, and it died a quick and painful death.

VolFan1 · September 11th, 2009, 08:38 AM

	Quote:	Jref
	What's interesting is that after LSU successfully ran that play against Auburn a couple of years ago, we immediately began to see HS & youth teams try it. They didn't understand that there is a difference in the rules, and it died a quick and painful death.

If only coaches would stop yelling the pass was uncatchable or the QB was outside the tackle box

(pass interference and grounding)