Question: Question for the gay community.

Bamabuzzard · April 26th, 2009, 10:58 PM

The wife and I were at a party for a couple who were celebrating dual 30th birthday parties. It was a pretty big shindig that consisted of a lot of people we knew but also a lot of people we didn't.

Well a group of about 6 guys (including myself) were standing around talking when the topic of this Miss. California and Perez Hilton thing came up. In this group of six guys three of the guys I knew and the other two I didn't know. But it was apparently obvious that one of the two guys I didn't know was gay. So when the subject came up I KNEW where this crap was headed. I wanted to bow out and ease on to another part of the party but like a car wreck I just had to watch it unfold.

The guy that brought up the topic was straight and basically said that a question like that shouldn't even be asked in a pageant. That it was a loaded question and it would be much like asking a racial oriented question. He went on to say that if we're going to preach "tolerance", that part of "tolerance" is tolerating people's opinions that don't go along with yours. That he felt like Perez Hilton was a hypocrite by wanting society to be "more tolerant" (as he stated on Larry King Live) yet went ape doo doo nuts when this contestant didn't agree with his views regarding same sex marriage.

The gay man in the group got a bit upset at these remarks. He didn't scream or holler but it was quite obvious he was not happy. The following remarks from this guy is what got me to ask the question I'm going to ask to the gay community.

I'm paraphrasing: Well, like it or not the gay community will continue to fight for acceptance in this society. We will also fight to eliminate non acceptance as well. One of our next political agendas to go along with passing same sex marriages in all states and getting equally recognized by the tax law will be to take away the tax shelter of any church that doesn't accept same sex marriages.

At this I immediately "became involved" in the conversation. I said "Are you kidding"? He said "Hell no". Now going strictly from this site and the times that I've been involved in the debates, I know many believe that the gay community has an agenda to force their lifestyle on our children etc. and many say "No they don't they just want equal rights and that's it.".

Is what this guy said true? As the conversation went along it was quite obvious he is very very involved in the gay community with respect to support and political groups. So I figured if he felt like this and wanted to see churches punished for not accepting their marriages that he wasn't the lone ranger. There's probably a lot more that are for this and will be pushing for this. Is this what the gay community is pushing for? I was shocked to say the least.

DiamondDust · April 26th, 2009, 11:21 PM

I'm guessing this thread gets locked at 5 pages.

Anyone want to take the over or under?

Bamabuzzard · April 26th, 2009, 11:34 PM

	Quote:	DiamondDust
	I'm guessing this thread gets locked at 5 pages. Anyone want to take the over or under?

I doubt I'll get many responses. I know that many standing in support of what the gay community is fighting for has continually preached that they're not trying to force their lifestyle on anyone but rather just trying to get what others already have in equal civil rights. But then many that aren't in support of the gay lifestyle say the opposite. That the gay community is trying to push their lifestyle into our schools and onto our children. So when this cat at the party blurted out this jibberish I just had to bring it to the board and get the opinion of those on here that seem to have a good to decent pulse of what the gay community wants. We'll see but I say your guess is right. Thread locked at around page five.

CrimsonChuck · April 26th, 2009, 11:46 PM

I have to go to bed, but I will give a brief reply. I support gay's right to marry 100%. However, it would be a violation of the separation of church and state to force churches to conform like that. If you are gay and you want to marry, there are plenty of churches/synagogues that will marry you. If you are religously against gays getting married there are plenty of churches/synagogues that you can be a part of.

The government has no business deciding who can get married and who can't. Likewise, the goverment has no business deciding which churches it agrees with and which ones it doesn't.

Frozen Sooner · April 27th, 2009, 12:11 AM

	Quote:	CrimsonChuck
	I have to go to bed, but I will give a brief reply. I support gay's right to marry 100%. However, it would be a violation of the separation of church and state to force churches to conform like that. If you are gay and you want to marry, there are plenty of churches/synagogues that will marry you. If you are religously against gays getting married there are plenty of churches/synagogues that you can be a part of. The government has no business deciding who can get married and who can't. Likewise, the goverment has no business deciding which churches it agrees with and which ones it doesn't.

With the exception that the state has a vested interest in preserving the common law rule that parties must be competent to contract, and also has fairly sensible rules about consanguinity, I agree completely.

Bamabuzzard · April 27th, 2009, 12:19 AM

My question is not whether it is realistic that government allows or disallows this to happen. Frankly, with our government nothing would surprise me. My question is whether or not this is an accurate pulse in the gay community. Because if it is then it goes against what many of the gays have been openly preaching about not trying to force their lifestyle on our children through schools and other methods etc. Many on here have said the same thing that gays ONLY want what heterosexual couples have with respect to rights.

But going so far as to want to punish those that do not "accept this lifestyle" would seem to me that they are force their beliefs on certain sects of society that traditionally have not accepted their lifestyle.

Frozen Sooner · April 27th, 2009, 12:37 AM

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	take away the tax shelter of any church that doesn't accept same sex marriages.

I don't think this view is particularly widespread in the gay community other than as venting of frustration. Exempting churches from taxation is an important part of keeping the government from telling churches what they can and can't preach. So long as a church stays away from active interference in the political process, they should be free from taxation.

ValuJet · April 27th, 2009, 06:37 AM

I doubt it will last five pages but I am certainly willing to let it go as long as possible.

CrimsonCT · April 27th, 2009, 07:44 AM

	Quote:	Frozen Sooner
	I don't think this view is particularly widespread in the gay community other than as venting of frustration.

Yep.

XXL TideFan · April 27th, 2009, 08:44 AM

From a religious stand point I am opposed to homosexuality, period. I agree with the stand that religious organizations should be taxed just as any other business. This is a tool that the government uses to keep the churches in line. The homosexual agitators will be successful with this mode of attack. Watch how many "churches" start to get in line when the government starts revoking tax exempt status. The churches that refuse to compromise and "go along" will be the ones that still preach the true gospel. I do believe that we are about to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Any church that would support the homosexual agenda wouldn't be one that you would want to take your family to anyway. I say bravo and hope the the homosexuals succeed in this one.
This is also another example of the government using the tax code to perform social engineering.

XXL TideFan · April 27th, 2009, 08:54 AM

	Quote:	Frozen Sooner
	I don't think this view is particularly widespread in the gay community other than as venting of frustration. Exempting churches from taxation is an important part of keeping the government from telling churches what they can and can't preach. So long as a church stays away from active interference in the political process, they should be free from taxation.

This is bassackwards in so many ways that it isn't even funny. By threatening to revoke tax exempt status is the way that churches are kept in line. What you call interference others would call participation. Why shouldn't churches preach against the evils of preemptive invasion, invasion of privacy, abortion, torture, the rise of the police state, etc?

bayoutider · April 27th, 2009, 09:00 AM

I know several gay people and will only say there are extremists in every group. The ones I know are very low key not the flaming Nancie you see on TV.

ValuJet · April 27th, 2009, 09:05 AM

Flaming Nancie on TV? What show is that?