Thank God for Congressman Joe Wilson!

[Bamaro]

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	Quote:	Queasy1
	The non-partisan Congressional Research Service scored the bill and their report states that illegals will be covered.

IMO, if thats the case, the reps should work towards changing that rather than yelling out at a speech and looking foolish. Sometimes their actions remind me of a little kid holding their breath.

[Atlmetroguy]

	Quote:	DiamondDust
	The point being - it was the President's speech. It was his time to say that, whether you like it or not. It wasn't Wilson's time to try to give some "heroic" rebuttal during the middle of the speech. The content of the speech isn't in question. It's the respect and matter of protocol. The Republicans had ample opportunity to discredit everything he said (Given the fact they'd have a copy of the speech before hand) in the official response directly after the speech.

Actually, that's not true. Nobody was given a copy of the speech beforehand only a list of talking points as opposed to the full speech which is normally done. I saw that tidbit on a news channel last night from a congressman but cannot for the life of me remember which one.

As regards decorum in Congress or the POTUS's office that respect was gone a long long time ago.

I personally don't have any problem with it. Have you ever watched sessions of Korean or Japanese government? Hell they have fist fights in their discussions so by most standards we're pretty tame.

[SavannahDare]

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, good for him for his little outburst. Getting to see the priceless look on what's-her-name's face was worth any embarrassment caused by what he said. On the other hand, I do believe in rendering respect to the office of the POTUS. Decorum would demand keeping one's mouth shut.

And I agree: They must put "anti" in the ground water in South Carolina.

[Tide1986]

	Quote:	DiamondDust
	The point being - it was the President's speech. It was his time to say that, whether you like it or not. It wasn't Wilson's time to try to give some "heroic" rebuttal during the middle of the speech. The content of the speech isn't in question. It's the respect and matter of protocol. The Republicans had ample opportunity to discredit everything he said (Given the fact they'd have a copy of the speech before hand) in the official response directly after the speech.

There's a big difference between 45-60 minutes and 5 minutes of uninterrupted air time. I don't know that 5 minutes qualifies as ample opportunity.
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[Bamabuzzard]

	Quote:	Bamaro
	IMO, if thats the case, the reps should work towards changing that rather than yelling out at a speech and looking foolish. Sometimes their actions remind me of a little kid holding their breath.

"Work towards changing that"? What the H-E- Double Hockey Sticks is there to "work towards" on that? It should be a non issue. The bigger issue here isn't how childish the idiot acted by shouting out in the speech but rather that our government wants to use taxpayer money to provide health care benefits for people that are ILLEGALLY here?

That doesn't bother you? That the people running our country actually considers giving benefits to people that are here illegally and making taxpaying Americans foot the bill? Big deal if the moron yelled out. At least he's an American (legally). Won't be the first time and won't be the last someone made a fool of themselves. But people have been saying for a while now that the bill affords benefits to illegals yet that seems to be no big deal to a lot of folks. Its part of the reason our health care system is out of control.

I'm not mad at you Bamaro. You're a good dude. I'm just frustrated.

[Queasy1]

	Quote:	Bamaro
	IMO, if thats the case, the reps should work towards changing that rather than yelling out at a speech and looking foolish. Sometimes their actions remind me of a little kid holding their breath.

Every amendment submitted that requires proof of citizenship to get health insurance has been rejected by Dem leadership.

This isn't a case of the Republicans not offering an alternative (another of Obama's lies. See HR 3400 among others) or amendments or other ideas but of the Dem leadership in the House and Senate rejecting any alternative whole cloth without consideration.

[DiamondDust]

	Quote:	Atlmetroguy
	Actually, that's not true. Nobody was given a copy of the speech beforehand only a list of talking points as opposed to the full speech which is normally done. I saw that tidbit on a news channel last night from a congressman but cannot for the life of me remember which one. As regards decorum in Congress or the POTUS's office that respect was gone a long long time ago. I personally don't have any problem with it. Have you ever watched sessions of Korean or Japanese government? Hell they have fist fights in their discussions so by most standards we're pretty tame.

My mistake about the content of the speech being known. Thanks for bringing that up.

[Bamaro]

	Quote:	Bamabuzzard
	That doesn't bother you?

Actually, it does bother me. I hope the reps do stop this 'holding their breath' act and work for what they want. They wont get all they want but it will be better than the alternative. I probably feel as strong as the nut from SC but there is a better way to handle this. This is normal behavior in the British parliament but not here.

[Atlmetroguy]

	Quote:	DiamondDust
	My mistake about the content of the speech being known. Thanks for bringing that up.

No worries...it's all good. I just happened to be watching TV last night and saw that piece.

[Cape Tide]

	Quote:	Bamabuzzard
	That doesn't bother you? That the people running our country actually considers giving benefits to people that are here illegally and making taxpaying Americans foot the bill?

Page 143 states (Section 246): "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

So illegal immigrants would be able to participate, but would have to pay full price. I wonder how the INS would handle this? My guess is that no illegals will participate, and we will continue to pay for them through our sponsorship of ER's.

I think its ironic that when Bush really was lying to congress, no one called him a liar, but Obama is stating what is written in the bill, and he is called a liar. Maybe Wilson should have read it before calling the President a liar on national TV.

[Queasy1]

	Quote:	Cape Tide
	Page 143 states (Section 246): "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." So illegal immigrants would be able to participate, but would have to pay full price. I wonder how the INS would handle this? My guess is that no illegals will participate, and we will continue to pay for them through our sponsorship of ER's.

The non-partisan Congressional Research Service scored the bill and their report states that illegals will be covered.

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	“Under H.R. 3200, a ‘Health Insurance Exchange’ would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange.”

There is also no mechanism requiring proof of citizenship and all attempts by Republican Congressman to insert amendments that require proof of citizenship have been rejected.

[TRUTIDE]

	Quote:	DiamondDust
	What he did was disgraceful and disrespectful to the President and the other members of Congress. The same goes for the Democrats who would boo President Bush during his joint-session speeches. It just reinforces the behavior of those who think the best way to win an argument is to talk louder than your opponent, hurl insults, and demonize them at every point. God forbid our elected leaders show a little decorum, respect, and dignity for their office and the office of the President. If you don't like the man, that's fine, but there is still protocol to follow and Wilson broke it to shreds. He has plenty of avenues and options to discredit the President's health care plan, but trying to show him up during a live speech is not one of them. I am glad the Republican leadership is taking him to task for what he did, but I also suspect that the choir-preachers in the talk radio circuit will hoist him up like some martyr, thus encouraging the next lowly representative looking to make a name for himself to do something even more disgraceful in the name of winning votes.

OMG! That is hilarious! Is this straight from the desk of Chris Matthews. The kool aid is seeping out of my computer screen. How many times can people be fooled? Ole Chris did not seem too outraged at actions by the dems at past presidential speeches before congress.

Either Obama is an incredibly stupid man or he lied over and over and over again in that speech. After seeing who he had chosen for his top advisors, I'm to the point of going either way on this now. He then directly called the republicans and their supporters liars on national TV. He preached against the politics of fear whilst telling us what dire things would happen if we did not pass this bill NOW! Kind of a repeat of what he said about the non job creating, non stimulating spendulous bill and the tax and trade bill. I do not know that I have ever seen a sitting POTUS be so disrespectfull to the opposing party and the American people in a speech before congress. I am surprised the pubs did not have an outburst sooner and I am shocked that there is still anyone left on this planet that is still buying into the Obama propaganda. Even most of the liberal talking heads I saw last night did not believe his statements. They were still useful idiots for him and fully supported his plan but they would not defend his statements. Do you think that the dems did not have a copy of the speech beforehand? Does that disgust you so?

[Bama Fan N TN]

I thought it was funny myself..

Its better to act a fool and speak the truth, than continue to be the wolf in sheeps clothing trying to fool the American People.

But one has to Respect the office even though the man in office deserves none.