why do we have these people that fit the sociopath description so well yet somehow are always allowed to have the means to carry out violence? how many times have we heard of someone that had no friends or was ranting about various violent activities yet no one points them out and gets mental help for these people. it is always after the fact that people say "yup, i figured he would go postal one day."
That is bound to happen more in a country that values individual freedom and the right to bear arms. Simply said - where freedom is valued, he has the right to be a nutjob until he proves to be a risk to others. Sadly, that proof all too often comes with a high price...
I really don't have the sense that this is a cry for forgiveness. It is a declaration of the sources of inspiration for the act that follows.
I would agree. I believe this act was tied directly to US policy in the Middle east, and an attempt to influence it.
MAJ Hasan had no personal animus against the soldiers he killed and wounded. He had a general animus against them simply because they were soldiers.
All of this based on the fact that he is a Muslim that didn't want to fight against people that he felt related to? Remember, he said that he didn't mind that he might have to deply to Afghanistan. If there is a place where we are really at war with Islam, it is there - not Iraq.
You need to consider all of the facts, not just the few that fit your conclusions...
That is bound to happen more in a country that values individual freedom and the right to bear arms.
I think this country doesn't respect freedom or our rights but that is for another thread.
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Simply said - where freedom is valued, he has the right to be a nutjob until he proves to be a risk to others. Sadly, that proof all too often comes with a high price...
This guy has been touted as a whack job who has no close friends or family. He fits the sociopath definition perfectly. Yet all you see when you read about him is Muslim. That says more about you than him...
Really?
I'll wait until the next "whack job" who just happens to post internet ramblings and shouts "alluha akbar" before the whackiness ensues, then you can explain this all over to me again.
All of this based on the fact that he is a Muslim that didn't want to fight against people that he felt related to?
The US Army has been at war for quite a few years. MAJ Hasan has had years to resign (and pay back the money he received for his education). He chose to take then king's coin, but has a problem doing the king's bidding?
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Remember, he said that he didn't mind that he might have to deply to Afghanistan. If there is a place where we are really at war with Islam, it is there - not Iraq.
I dispute the characterization in either theater. If Hasan believed this, then he is a moron on yet another level.
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You need to consider all of the facts, not just the few that fit your conclusions...
One might make the same suggestion to you.
The native of Virginia self-identifies as a "Palestinian" at his mosque, yells "Allahu akbar" before gunning down dozens of soldiers whom he does not know, just because they are about to deploy to the Middle East, and religion has nothing to do with it?
Sorry, but this sounds like deliberate self-delusion.
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The US Army has been at war for quite a few years. MAJ Hasan has had years to resign (and pay back the money he received for his education). He chose to take then king's coin, but has a problem doing the king's bidding?I dispute the characterization in either theater. If Hasan believed this, then he is a moron on yet another level.One might make the same suggestion to you. The native of Virginia self-identifies as a "Palestinian" at his mosque, yells "Allahu akbar" before gunning down dozens of soldiers whom he does not know, just because they are about to deploy to the Middle East, and religion has nothing to do with it?
Sorry, but this sounds like deliberate self-delusion.
That's sort of the words I was searching for. Well said.
...The native of Virginia self-identifies as a "Palestinian" at his mosque, yells "Allahu akbar" before gunning down dozens of soldiers whom he does not know, just because they are about to deploy to the Middle East, and religion has nothing to do with it?...
That is not what I said. I might recommend that you read my posts in their entirety. I said that he was a coward that used his religion as a way out. I don't think for a second that this sociopath was some sort of martyr. He was a despicable coward.
I don't buy the story that he just snapped, or did this due to fear of deployment...
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.....during a year of study in which Hasan made a presentation "that justified suicide bombing" and spewed "anti-American propaganda" as he argued the war on terror was "a war against Islam."
...no one filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan's comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory.
I'm not saying he's not responsible for his actions. He is. All of them. Which includes belonging to a non-peaceful faith. A faith which breeds this kind of mindset and activity.
All of this based on the fact that he is a Muslim that didn't want to fight against people that he felt related to? Remember, he said that he didn't mind that he might have to deply to Afghanistan. If there is a place where we are really at war with Islam, it is there - not Iraq.
You need to consider all of the facts, not just the few that fit your conclusions...
But as a shrink would he have been 'fighting' or simply supporting his countrymen.
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That is not what I said. I might recommend that you read my posts in their entirety. I said that he was a coward that used his religion as a way out. I don't think for a second that this sociopath was some sort of martyr. He was a despicable coward.
He didn't exactly use religion as a way out - he used murder. If he was simply a coward, he would not have to kill to get out of deploying. He could just refuse to go. Easy enough. But, no, he wanted to kill some Americans, and so he did.
My supposition for know is that he was not "unstable", at least not any more than any other low down, murdering SOB piece of crap.
That is not what I said. I might recommend that you read my posts in their entirety. I said that he was a coward that used his religion as a way out. I don't think for a second that this sociopath was some sort of martyr. He was a despicable coward.
Apologies. I thought you might be anmongst those who have said (or implied) that the murderers religion had nothing to do with his killing spree.
"Normal" cowards just go to Canada, where they are welcome. This guy was different somehow. I just can't put my finger on it...
__________________ Suscipienda quidem bella sunt ob eam causam, ut sine iniuria in pace vivatur. Cicero, De Officiis 1.11.35
Apologies. I thought you might be anmongst those who have said (or implied) that the murderers religion had nothing to do with his killing spree.
"Normal" cowards just go to Canada, where they are welcome. This guy was different somehow. I just can't put my finger on it...
I have read a few write-ups today that have me second-guessing myself. I am glad that I didn't jump to conclusions, but it is looking more and more like his religion drove him to this, even if this guy decided to do it on his own...
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