3 Star Recruits - Page 2

BleedCrimson7 · July 27th, 2008, 02:17 AM

I realize that our 3-stars are upper tier guys that were highly sought after. That being said, I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed that 7 of our 11 current commits are 3-stars. With such a small class, that isn't going to get us in the top 10. I know we will get quite a few more blue chippers like Dre, Nico, etc....but unless some of these 3 stars get bumped...we're going to be hard pressed to squeak into the top 10 in the rankings(which is where you want to be every year IMO).

Special K · July 27th, 2008, 02:39 AM

	Quote:	BleedCrimson7
	I realize that our 3-stars are upper tier guys that were highly sought after. That being said, I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed that 7 of our 11 current commits are 3-stars. With such a small class, that isn't going to get us in the top 10. I know we will get quite a few more blue chippers like Dre, Nico, etc....but unless some of these 3 stars get bumped...we're going to be hard pressed to squeak into the top 10 in the rankings(which is where you want to be every year IMO).

I will just about bet you a paycheck right now that Alabama will have a consensus top ten class, and push toward the top five (my prediction is 7th or 8th). Many of our guys will move up a bunch. Just look at their offer lists and you can tell. Woodson is a perfect example. If he is truly a "3 star" then I am the Pope....

crmsnrevelation · July 27th, 2008, 03:31 AM

go to rivals and look up the last 6 years of signing classes at alabama. Tell me which players have made a bigger impact 3 star or 4 and 5 star... Granted we did have alot more 3 stars in those classes, so group the 4 and 5 as one, but the numbers are pretty telling. 2002 and 2003 is the most interesting.

Ahmad Childress, Derrick Pope, David Scott, Chris Felder, Chris Turner, Michael Johnson, Chris Keys, were all rated higher than a bunch of the recent bama legends. I couldnt even tell you what impact most of them made. Im sure some went the route of JUCO or didnt qualify, but it just seems like stars are a big whooey!

BleedCrimson7 · July 27th, 2008, 04:45 AM

	Quote:	crmsnrevelation
	go to rivals and look up the last 6 years of signing classes at alabama. Tell me which players have made a bigger impact 3 star or 4 and 5 star... Granted we did have alot more 3 stars in those classes, so group the 4 and 5 as one, but the numbers are pretty telling. 2002 and 2003 is the most interesting. Ahmad Childress, Derrick Pope, David Scott, Chris Felder, Chris Turner, Michael Johnson, Chris Keys, were all rated higher than a bunch of the recent bama legends. I couldnt even tell you what impact most of them made. Im sure some went the route of JUCO or didnt qualify, but it just seems like stars are a big whooey!

You're starting to sound like a barner

. Seriously, it has been proven time and time again that blue chippers turn out on a higher percentage than 2-3 stars. We just haven't had many blue chippers until the last couple of years, so of course most of our good players weren't blue chippers. But you look at guys like Andre Smith, Rolo McClain, etc....the type of kids who come in and start from day one....those guys are 4-5 stars the majority of the time. And out of the guys you mentioned that you didn't know what impact they made....Mike Johnson is going into his second year as a full time starter on the OL as only a junior. He's a dang good player and will be a three year starter for us when he leaves. Derrick Pope was a starter at MLB the day he stepped foot on campus, and started both years, was an All-SEC player and was as of recently, a big-time player for the Dolphins. Out of the other guys you mentioned, Felder and Scott never qualified academically, so we don't know what they would have done. Childress was a starter and a pretty good DT in his own right. At the end of the day...I'll take my chances with a 4-5 star player any day over a 2-3 star guy.

Moon Winx · July 27th, 2008, 07:30 AM

On the young men we are recruiting, my guess is that coach Saban doesn't know (or care) how many stars they have.

LCN · July 27th, 2008, 07:32 AM

Many of their prospects rose to 3's only after making their pledge to the barn . We're not competing with non-BCS or DII schools for players . They are .

M2J · July 27th, 2008, 12:52 PM

	Quote:	BleedCrimson7
	I realize that our 3-stars are upper tier guys that were highly sought after. That being said, I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed that 7 of our 11 current commits are 3-stars. With such a small class, that isn't going to get us in the top 10. I know we will get quite a few more blue chippers like Dre, Nico, etc....but unless some of these 3 stars get bumped...we're going to be hard pressed to squeak into the top 10 in the rankings(which is where you want to be every year IMO).

Just because we have 7 3 stars on Rivals now, doesn't mean there's a trend that will continue. We're gonna have plenty of 4 stars and a couple 5 stars. Many times higher tier guys commit later anyways. However, per rivals I expect at least 3 of our guys to rise to 4 star status: Chance Warmack, Rod Woodson (who they currently have 0 video on), Quinton Dial (who was a 4 star when he committed) and I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if West got one too with his skills and offer list, but he'll have to get bigger. Rivals is good for raising the rankings on players that are on the brink if they commit to a high profile school, happened last year and has been happening this year with other schools.

But still if you look at previous top 10 team rankings on Rivals you'll find plenty of schools that have about 10-11 4 stars and a couple 5 stars, and that's about where we're heading

BleedCrimson7 · July 27th, 2008, 01:30 PM

	Quote:	M2J
	Just because we have 7 3 stars on Rivals now, doesn't mean there's a trend that will continue. We're gonna have plenty of 4 stars and a couple 5 stars. Many times higher tier guys commit later anyways. However, per rivals I expect at least 3 of our guys to rise to 4 star status: Chance Warmack, Rod Woodson (who they currently have 0 video on), Quinton Dial (who was a 4 star when he committed) and I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if West got one too with his skills and offer list, but he'll have to get bigger. Rivals is good for raising the rankings on players that are on the brink if they commit to a high profile school, happened last year and has been happening this year with other schools. But still if you look at previous top 10 team rankings on Rivals you'll find plenty of schools that have about 10-11 4 stars and a couple 5 stars, and that's about where we're heading

You're probably right, and I sure hope so....because I have a bet with an LSU fan that hinges on us finishing with a top 10 class on both Scout and Rivals. Of course I made the bet(not money, but an authentic jersey) when most experts were predicting a class of around 23. Now that the numbers seems to be around 20, I'd be more apprehensive to make such a bet. Oh well, hopefully Saban will work his magic and get us into the top 10 even with a small class. I genuinely like all of our 3-stars and think they are good players...I'm just ready to start seeing more 4/5-stars and less of the 3-stars.

M2J · July 27th, 2008, 01:44 PM

I'd say the class would be around 22... could get to 23 if Saban feels the need to oversign just in case someone doesn't qualify

BleedCrimson7 · July 27th, 2008, 01:46 PM

	Quote:	M2J
	I'd say the class would be around 22... could get to 23 if Saban feels the need to oversign just in case someone doesn't qualify

With only 9 seniors this year, I see no way we sign more than 20.

M2J · July 27th, 2008, 02:53 PM

We will

crmsnrevelation · July 27th, 2008, 04:17 PM

	Quote:	BleedCrimson7
	You're starting to sound like a barner. Seriously, it has been proven time and time again that blue chippers turn out on a higher percentage than 2-3 stars. We just haven't had many blue chippers until the last couple of years, so of course most of our good players weren't blue chippers. But you look at guys like Andre Smith, Rolo McClain, etc....the type of kids who come in and start from day one....those guys are 4-5 stars the majority of the time. And out of the guys you mentioned that you didn't know what impact they made....Mike Johnson is going into his second year as a full time starter on the OL as only a junior. He's a dang good player and will be a three year starter for us when he leaves. Derrick Pope was a starter at MLB the day he stepped foot on campus, and started both years, was an All-SEC player and was as of recently, a big-time player for the Dolphins. Out of the other guys you mentioned, Felder and Scott never qualified academically, so we don't know what they would have done. Childress was a starter and a pretty good DT in his own right. At the end of the day...I'll take my chances with a 4-5 star player any day over a 2-3 star guy.

Im slightly burned by the barn comment, but I understand how my post could have sounded that way. I love my Crimson Tide as much as the next guy, but couldnt quote names like so many others. I was only making reference to production output of guys like Juwan Garth/Simpson and Demeco Ryans and Tyrone Prothro, next to guys that were more highly rated. Id rather have a 3 star with heart desire and a willingness to learn, than a 5 star with lesser intentions and bad team chemistry.

wastedmason · July 28th, 2008, 12:15 PM

I think if we dominate recruiting for the top 20 instate players in Alabama, say around 12 to 14 of those whether they are 3, 4 or 5 star rated, and then pluck a couple of the top 20 rated players from Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida each year, coach Saban and company will know what to do with them.

I know these kids are all getting caught up in the recruiting frenzy and some 3 and 2 star players as rated by the "Services" will come in with a chip on their shoulder and prove them badly wrong on their ratings. They will out work many of the higher rated kids just to prove it which is a good thing for the team. Pushes everyone!

But from what I have read, our coaches especially coach Saban will be pushing them all the same when they sign in the off season and when practice starts unlike what coach Shula did here from what I can tell from what has been written here. Coach Shula seemed to take a different approach towards the most heralded recruits as to the lesser heralded.

Sometimes its easier to coach 3 star players up than it is to coach 5 stars to their potential. But the great coaches, the Saban's, Meyers, Carrolls of the world know how to do just that! You give them the 5 star talent and look out!!!

Now Tubby seems to be able to coach up 3 star players fairly well and thinks he can take the easy route in recruiting, not going head to head with the big dogs often and still have success. Good luck to him I guess but I believe his arrogance is going to bite him hard and soon!!! And I can't wait!!!