Why Should ND Be Included In BCS Discussion?

rizolltizide

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Apparently, the "only conference champions" and semi-finals hosted by higher ranked teams proposals are all but dead.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-exploring-neutral-site-4-team-playoff-format

That is very encouraging.
Good. And good.

Conference champion only was never going to fly. Now that a non conference champion was allowed to play in that game, as it should have, and having the power that he has, Slive would be a fool to ever allow that "qualifier" in the conversation.
 

CrimsonNagus

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Apparently, the "only conference champions" and semi-finals hosted by higher ranked teams proposals are all but dead.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-exploring-neutral-site-4-team-playoff-format

That is very encouraging.
This article makes it sound like the BCS is not going to cater to the Rose Bowl, basically if they want there match-up they can't host a semi-final game but, could still bid for the championship game.

I use to like the idea of the higher ranked team hosting a semi-final game but, after thinking about it I think neutral sites would be best. We'd all love to see a semi-final game is Tuscaloosa but it would definitely suck if Bama had to travel to Oregon or play in TCU's tiny stadium.

ND should not get any special treatment unless the same deal they get is shared with all the independent schools. In a perfect world, the BCS should tell ND (and any other independent) to shut-up and get in a conference if you want a ring.
 

KrAzY3

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If you're going to have a tournament, give each team an equal shot. It's a National Championship tournament after all.
That's what many want, to make college football like every sport and to level the playing field. But, do you really want to do that? Because what you're actually saying is that finishing the regular season ranked #1 (or #2 even) should mean nothing other than the chance for a national championship. At that point, you've degraded the regular season to a point that it's irreparable. You're telling everyone that being #4 is as good as being #1 and that sickens me quite frankly.

By the way, I don't believe you could show that no #4 team has ever had a valid claim at #1. There have been several seasons that that was not the case.
Unfortunately, in my mind, you're making yourself the villain. Forget the regular season, give each team an equal shot! And then, the typical ill informed statements that follow...
KrAzY3 said:
Keep in mind I'm going by pre-bowl BCS rankings.
1998 - #4 Ohio State finished 11-1 (Tennessee went 13-0)
1999 - #4 Alabama finished 10-3 (Florida St. went 12-0)
2000 - #4 Washington finished 11-1 (Oklahoma went 13-0)
2001 - #4 Oregon finished 11-1 (Miami went 12-0)
2002 - #4 USC finished 11-2 (Ohio St. went 14-0)
2003 - #4 Michigan finished 10-3 (LSU went 13-1)
2004 - #4 Texas finished 11-1 (USC went 13-0)
2005 - #4 Ohio St. finished 10-2 (Texas went 13-0)
2006 - #4 LSU finished 11-2 (Florida went 13-1)
2007 - #4 Oklahoma finished 11-3 (LSU went 12-2)
2008 - #4 Alabama finished 12-2 (Florida went 13-1)
2009 - #4 TCU finished 12-1 (Alabama went 14-0)
2010 - #4 Stanford finished 12-1 (Auburn went 14-0)
2011 - #4 Stanford finished 11-2 (Alabama went 12-1)
There, this is a list of teams that would be #4 seeds and the national champions for reference. Not once, did #4 finish with as many wins, or as few losses. Not one single time. Yes, you claim that there were several seasons #4 had a valid claim at #1. Pick one, which year? Was it Oklahoma in 2007? Oregon in 2001? That's the list, so please do tell me which instance that was the case, or by all means retract your statement.

I've said before, the only +1 I would support would give #1 a bye and have #2 play #3 at home. This way, the regular season accomplishments are given their due, and it's a nod to the pre bowl BCS by making #1 mean more. This won't happen, because a lot of people think like you. They want Standford to have an equal chance at winning a championship as LSU or Alabama last year. Well, I think that's horrible and it not at all an attempt to reward the most deserving team.
 
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dirtroadlizard

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Why can't they take the top 8 teams , regardless of conference , and seed them in the "Big Four " bowl games with no conference tye-ins . Then play 2 more at a neutral cites in the middle of the country . If the any of the " Big Four " don't like it , tell them to stick it !
 

Al A Bama

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Are they being treated as if they were a one team Conference. Do they have as many votes to decide what will happen as the SEC, B1G, et al?
 

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