Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

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TIDE-HSV

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Thanks, so I had it backwards. For some reason I thought a bail bondsman covered the bail fee by issuing a bond against the cost of bail for 10%. Thanks for clearing that up!
Not only that, but you wouldn't necessarily have to put up cash. The family can put up property satisfactory to the bondsman as collateral. Most people can do that...
 

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http://cw.ua.edu/2013/02/13/football-players-victim-speaks-out-after-arrests/


I think the issue is that they updated the article from around 10-11pm last night and their system required a new link to be created.


Either way, I'm pretty confident in the guilt of the accused now. Sounds like they wanted a light and were disappointed that the victim could not provide then proceeded to beat the crap out of him and steal his things. To make it seem even less like a misunderstanding they go and assault another guy a block away. These guys made a scumbag move. They may have been otherwise good people but it is immaterial to the point.

We can't have stuff like this happen because the fanbase at large may forgive and forget but the students that live here won't forget. We've already had players shot at on the Strip in the last 12 months. I sense a growing antagonizing relationship between an element of the football team and the general public in Tuscaloosa. That is not good...because it can turn petty things into big problems.
 

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Flyer, this is unfair. Of course, Nick Saban takes responsibility for his program and his players. But unless Florida is home to a bunch of habitual liars, no one saw this coming -- particularly with Eddie Williams. A year ago, he was one of the brightest lights in the incoming class. It's easy to say now that we should have seen his potential for violence.

But easy afterthoughts are like easy answers -- simplistic. Life -- and human behavior -- is a lot more complicated.
I don't think it unfair. I think CNS should be accountable, I didn't say blamed. Meaning, I would like to know, if I was in admin, what did CNS know about Eddie William's past and present, and what if anything he or the university could of done to prevent such a violent attack and help prevent such personalities of being part of our university in the future. The blame lies squarely on the back of the four students.
 

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I'll admit I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread. My first reaction was shock and anger. Shocked that anyone could do such. Beating a fellow student for snack money. what?!?! Anger at these guys tarnishing the name of the University of Alabama, a place I dearly love.

My second reaction was hurt. I hurt for the other players that before Sunday night would have called these guys friends and brothers. Guys that good guys trusted. They had to, that's what a team is all about. In my travels with the team I get a small glimpse into these guys having each others' backs. Imagine now how torn they feel, almost like these guys were traitors all along.

I had many interactions and conversations with these guys, but I won't claim to "know" them as I only flew one season with them and they were all younger. I do know Eddie Williams had a smile that could light up the whole airplane. I always felt bad that he didn't crack the rotation. One of the first conversations I had with him was about his time in high school and his recruitment.

Just breaks my heart that these very guys that appeared to be nothing more than kids playing football hurt SO many people. This is just tough!
Great Post! I always like reading your up close accounts of traveling with the team. Please keep them coming. I was sick when I heard this news but we need to remember that 96 or so players were doing what they were supposed to be doing that night. There are bad apples all around us. Sometimes they rear their head. Like always, RTR
 

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Nick Saban is just a man, not Big Brother. I don't blame him on having a few bad apples out of 105 18-22 year-old men. Do you realize what the crime rate would be in a random sampling of 105 normal students? Between possession charges, public intoxications, DUIs, assaults, domestic disputes, etc I imagine the attrition would be worse than what Saban has experienced. Of guys I knew in college: I know 4 DUIs, 5-6 PIs, 1 possession with the intent to sale (surprised me), 1 domestic dispute issue (don't know the charge).

I think Saban is doing pretty well because I can't imagine any sample size being much better unless you were hanging out with shut-ins.
 

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I feel like this about the Alabama program, it is in good hands with the staff that are in place right now. It appears that Saban is handling this in a professional manner that is appropriate for what has come about. To say, hey don't recruit this type of character into the program, well that is a mighty big crystal ball you would have to have on hand. You can have a perfectly model person make a bad choice in regards to experimenting with a drug. Someone that you never thought that would give even a passing notion to engage in a act as that. And boom, bad choice leads to other bad, and sometimes violent and criminal acts. I don't know what caused these guys to go down this path, but they did. Sometimes you can see it coming a mile down the track and intervene, and sometimes it happens in the blink of the eye. I really imagine that this probably blindsided a lot of staff up at the Capstone.
 
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When somebody of sound mind messes up (in this case commits a crime) it's their fault.

Nobody else can share the blame in this, especially our coaches.

Every person has free, moral will and they make their own choices.

People can influence our decisions, but we ultimately choose our behavior and we have to be accountable.

Same applies to these four even if they are Alabama football players.
 

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I can understand this to a point...however...the thought never crossed my mind when I was that age to rob someone. Period. We all do stupid things as kids/young adults but this is beyond stupidity.
Yup, this ain't stupid...this is criminal...
 

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... I prefer they quietly escort them through the facilities to collect their belongings, and then take them out the back door.
When I read this story my mind flew back to an article I read a few years back about the time CPB caught a player selling pot in the early 70s. Here is the link. Scroll down to the part where CPB chases the kid back to his dorm and literally throws all his stuff out the window. Nothing that dramatic will happen here, but I have complete confidence that CNS will handle the situation appropriately.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2007/8/12/111433/Roy-Exum-Bear-Bryant-And-Redemption.aspx
 
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Just so we are clear on all of this, in terms of character this largely comes out of nowhere. None of the Big Three -- Williams, Pettway, and Hayes -- ever had any prior arrests, convictions, or any other similar run-ins with the authorities. All three were solid students, too, and none of them had any issues qualifing academically. Williams, in fact, had above a 3.0 GPA in high school and just barely missed the requirements for enrolling early.

Can't really say with any of these guys that Saban ignored some red flags on the recruiting trails. By all accounts, these kids seemed like the kind of character types you want in your program.
 

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I don't think it unfair. I think CNS should be accountable, I didn't say blamed. Meaning, I would like to know, if I was in admin, what did CNS know about Eddie William's past and present, and what if anything he or the university could of done to prevent such a violent attack and help prevent such personalities of being part of our university in the future. The blame lies squarely on the back of the four students.
:rolleyes:

Gotta blame someone, right?
 

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I'm almost scared to ask.

This whole situation is really infuriating. I would absolutely die to have a free ride through a great university like Alabama. Let alone the opportunity to play for a coach like Nick Saban. I understand however, a lot of mistakes can happen at that age. I'm sure there is not one of you that has not had a lapse in judgement at one time or another. This doesn't make them had people. That being said, I believe Coach hates that this happened, I can't imagine how disappointed and upset he may be right now. Whatever happens next, may these young men please open their eyes and get it together.
Um, a gun charge, unlawful use of a stolen credit card, and 2nd degree felonious robbery is just a weeeeee bit more than a 'lapse in judgement'.

And if thats what your considering a lapse in judgement, then the answer is; No, I have not.
 

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No

I've discussed the issue before, and I'm not going to change my opinion all of the sudden because of this incident. It's not justification in favor of a stipend or against it, and I said like three different ways that there was no excuse, but stipends were taken away from college athletes and they should be entitled to them. It's not right that their benefits as a student athlete went down, as earnings went up.

When I was around 13, I started taking lunch money from my dad. He'd leave change lying around, and he's taken away my allowance, didn't give me lunch money, and I didn't get a lunch packed or that sort of thing. However, there was food in the fridge. Had I taken the time, I could have and should have just figured out something to pack for my own lunch.

So, was what I did justified? No, it wasn't. However, had I been given lunch money, I wouldn't have done it. I didn't take money to buy useless crap, I did it because I was hungry. When I wasn't living with my dad, I just went without lunch. Once again, no lunch money, no packed lunch, and I should have just packed my own lunch, but I wasn't going to take anything from people letting me live with them. Kids don't always make wise choices or think very far ahead.

To reiterate for the fifth time, it's not an excuse, but common sense and my life experiences tell me that yes, stipends could prevent some incidents of this sort. That's reality, it doesn't justify crime, if someone tries to rob me I'm more inclined to shoot them than ask why they're doing it, but I am tired of people trying to demonize stipends which is something others on scholarship are entitled to.
The more I read your 'articles', the more I wonder why...
 

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Just so we are clear on all of this, in terms of character this largely comes out of nowhere. None of the Big Three -- Williams, Pettway, and Hayes -- ever had any prior arrests, convictions, or any other similar run-ins with the authorities. All three were solid students, too, and none of them had any issues qualifing academically. Williams, in fact, had above a 3.0 GPA in high school and just barely missed the requirements for enrolling early.

Can't really say with any of these guys that Saban ignored some red flags on the recruiting trails. By all accounts, these kids seemed like the kind of character types you want in your program.
Agree 100%. Wasn't Coach upset with the limits that were added concerning the amount of time coaches could visit schools and talk to teachers, staff etc. about things like the character of the recruits.
 

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I have to be careful lest people cherry pick what I say and ignore the rest...

I was replying to a comment about this issue and "paying players". I did not, out of the blue try to tie this to stipends, I was merely replying to a post. I said over and over it was inexcusable, and I think this shows bad character and I want them off the team as much as anyone.

In the past, NCAA athletes could get stipends. In the present, people on academic scholarships still get stipends. My point from the first time I discussed this long ago on the board, to now, is simply that stipends are not "paying players" in the sense that most people think, and that yes, having an allowance of sorts can help. As I said, criminals will be criminals, bad kids will be bad kids, but my own life experience tells me that not being broke helps in making better choices. That is not my justification for a stipend mind you, my justification is simply that they are entitled to what athletes were entitled in the past, and academic scholarships are entitled to in the present.

I grew up broke. I never robbed anyone. It really wasnt that hard.

No excuses.
 

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Given the "process" is on going five years and all checks and balances are set. Where is/was the senior leadership/staff not to see some of this coming? This a running group of younger players and somebody had to see something brewing this past year within the Saban system.
I'm sure Coach Saban will look backwards to see if there were any signs that might have been missed to ensure that they aren't in the future, but as long as we're dealing with human beings, things can go wrong.
 

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:rolleyes:

Gotta blame someone, right?
Again, I lay the "blame" on the grown men, the four students, who perpertrated the crime. I believe CNS should be held accountable in terms of what he knew about the character of Eddie Williams for example, past and present, that the university could of helped prevent this violent attack. Maybe there is nothing. Maybe CNS and staff knew of nothing. But I still think they should be held accountable in a small way. AGAIN, not blamed but to insure "we are doing all right the things when we are supposed to be doing them." (CNS' words) Roll Tide!
 

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First my disclaimer that criminal law is not my field and maybe Belle or one of the others will correct me if necessary, but the arrest warrants were served when they were taken in and booked. Also, I don't think the Grand Jury will be involved to determine probable cause. The reason, except for Calloway, is the confessions. I would think that the most likely route will be preliminary hearing before a district judge. Even that might be waived, in view of the confessions, once again with the exception of Calloway. I'd expect this to be strictly played out in quiet plea bargaining...
It's been a while ( since 1984) since I was an Assistant DA in Alabama, but I don't think the basics have changed. Since they're charged with felonies, they're entitled to a preliminary hearing to determine whether there is probable cause to bind them over to the grand jury. (The defendant can waive that, but rarely did.) The grand jury will then decide whether to indict them.

I have no problem with Coach Saban doing indefinite suspensions right away. I doubt if he'll decide that its necessary to wait for a trial to take final action, unless there are some truly weird facts that we don't know about.
 
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