I think the guy should have the right to sell his own property. NCAA needs to check itself on this one.
AJ Green Investigation
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Because it was a game-used autographed Bowl Jersey authenticated by the player himself. That would draw a pretty nice chunk of change.
Here is a Johan Santana Game-Used Jersey for $1000
Game Used Navy Jersey for $600 No name, not autographed, not from a bowl game.
Autographed Kobe Bryant Game Used Jersey $30,000
Game Used Robert Brooks Jersey $4000
Look around, I promise $1000 for a jersey like the one that was sold is not that outlandish, and in all actuality, is probably on the low end of what he could have gotten for it.
I know that, but what makes something a piece of memorabilia? If he signs the steering wheel in his car, is it suddenly a piece of memorabilia that's illegal to sell?
The NCAA is getting into some very gray areas. If someone wanted to fight them on this, I'm confident they could win.
Yet the NCAA can cost them millions and millions of dollars by forcing them to sit out an arbitrary amount of games for something that isn't illegal in the eyes of the law, or any other governing organization in America. This stinks.
It is a violation of the rule if he sells the steering wheel with his autograph on it. He cannot make money or gain benefits from his name.
You have to be and amateur athlete to play NCAA football. Once he uses his name as a player to make money for himself he loses amateur status.
Of course it would stand up. Ask yourself why it was a game jersey and not just one of AJ's T-shirts and you'll have your answer. This issue has come up several times before in the context of pictures in charitable calendars.
This is different from the car example that someone brought up earlier because he doesn't need to trade off his amateur status to buy and sell a car. Unless, as someone pointed out, he got paid $100K for a pile of junk.
There is a lot about their rules that stink and are not what many of us consider fair. But it is their ball and you have to play by their rules.
Here are a couple more that I do not care for:
- Family of student-athletes (not a recruit but someone already on the team) accepting transportation to and from football games
- Student-athletes and family members participating in pre-game or post-game meals/tailgaiting activities with fans/boosters
This is exactly what I was thinking. Could be that AJ knew that the agent couldn't flat out give him $1000, but maybe, just maybe, if he sold his jersey, that may be more acceptable, for all of the reason discussed above.
Seems like AJ was trying to dupe the NCAA and subvert the rules by "selling" something that he considered belonged to him.
I don't buy that. He didn't make a profit off the jersey simply because he's an amateur athlete. He made a profit because he owned a prized piece of memorabilia. Let me ask you a question. If Aaron Murray sold an AJ Green jersey, would that be illegal? If not, that's all you need to know about the hypocrisy of the situation.
You're arguing the same conclusion, but a different point. You're saying it would be illegal because it's a jersey while other people are saying it would be illegal because he's making a profit off of his status as an amateur athlete.
That's why I say this is a gray area. Everyone's opinion is different. It's a murky situation.
yeah he did, according to the NCAA he violated amateurism rules and his eligibility.
Gee, you don't think that perhaps he got caught with evidence of a $1,000 payment from an agent and explained it away as proceeds from the sale of a jersey (and a bowl jersey at that for which there are likely fewer controls)?
Sheesh, I got some coastline property in Arizona for sale for a few of you here!
It is not a gray area. The rule states a student-athlete cannot sell autographs or memorabilia. He did so he violated the rule.
This is the craziest thing I've ever read. 99% of Alabama fans agree with the NCAA on a ridiculous ruling. :eek2: I never thought I'd see that, it's a bit disturbing.
If Dareus were suspended 4 games, you all would be up in arms.
Green is suspended 4 games, and you all agree with the NCAA's findings.
Of course you do.
If Dareus were suspended 4 games, you all would be up in arms.
Green is suspended 4 games, and you all agree with the NCAA's findings.
Of course you do.
I would hope that would not be his defense since it does not matter who he sold it to. It would still be a rules violation.Gee, you don't think that perhaps he got caught with evidence of a $1,000 payment from an agent and explained it away as proceeds from the sale of a jersey (and a bowl jersey at that for which there are likely fewer controls)?
Sheesh, I got some coastline property in Arizona for sale for a few of you here!
Its not about agreeing with it Red, its the fact that he did it and he violated the law. The law may stink, but its still the law.
Not according to me, and trust me, I feel like I make a lot more sense than the NCAA does.
I say he sold it because it's a highly valued and highly sought after piece of merchandise. If he sold another amateur athletes game-used jersey and made a profit off of it, it wouldn't be illegal, but because it was his own, it's illegal? Sorry, not buying that. That's a ridiculous rule that could be struck down if fought hard enough.
I'd love to get Earle's take on this.
I agree with the ruling because he broke the rule as written. I do not agree with the rule. I believe these young men should be able to make as much money from their sweat as the NCAA and the universities and those who legally sell the autographas and memorabilia
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