Our next 2 games shouldn't give G-Mac any problems. But if he struggles against Auburn, then A.J. McCarron should come in.
Since we are playing for next year...bring on McCarron!
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We're still playing for this year, the last I checked. Alabama has a chance to win ten games for third consecutive season. That's something that hasn't been accomplished since 1977-1980. We can also finish in the top five again. Not to mention positioning for a better bowl game. Possibly even a BCS bowl.
Now the question to me is:
A) Do people really think McElroy is the crux of our offensive problems?
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B) Do people really care so little about what these young men do for the team and university that they'll throw them under the bus when our hopes for a season don't seem as if they'll come true?
Simply put, McElroy was hardly the problem Saturday. He had a pretty pass on a rope which Dial whiffed on, tipped up, and landed right in an LSU guy's hands. The sack fumble was almost unavoidable. We struggled with A-gap protection all night and it bit us in the tail right at a crucial moment in the game. You can't put that on McElroy when he wasn't even out of his drop back before Nevis was on him. He had a few deep throws that were dropped, a few big plays brought back due to holds, etc.
He played a gritty game considering protection was inconsistent at best all night.
And if you are willing to throwaway a season right now to get McCarron some snaps when we're still technically alive for a conference title...then are you really a Bama fan?!
A) Do people really think McElroy is the crux of our offensive problems?
OR
B) Do people really care so little about what these young men do for the team and university that they'll throw them under the bus when our hopes for a season don't seem as if they'll come true?
Simply put, McElroy was hardly the problem Saturday. He had a pretty pass on a rope which Dial whiffed on, tipped up, and landed right in an LSU guy's hands. The sack fumble was almost unavoidable. We struggled with A-gap protection all night and it bit us in the tail right at a crucial moment in the game. You can't put that on McElroy when he wasn't even out of his drop back before Nevis was on him. He had a few deep throws that were dropped, a few big plays brought back due to holds, etc.
He played a gritty game considering protection was inconsistent at best all night.
And if you are willing to throwaway a season right now to get McCarron some snaps when we're still technically alive for a conference title...then are you really a Bama fan?!
It wasn't but a few years ago and that was one of the only big things we had as a program to hang our hat on. Let's not forget that records such as these are part of the tradition that sustained is through the dark time. So let's not act as if they aren't important now, because you never know when a rainy day might come around again. In this crazy world of instant gratification we sometimes forget that a foundation isn't built overnight and those ten win seasons are a big part of the foundation this proud program is built on.
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I appreciate all the responses and opinions. You wonder how rumors get started, then you look at these posts and you understand how...
I NEVER said I wanted McElroy BENCHED. I said I would like to see a 50/50 split or at least 60/40 the rest of the way. I think this makes since.
Also, do we have some things to play for this year? Sure. But last time I checked, at Alabama, we play for CHAMPIONSHIPS! Not a runner up finish in the SEC West. Yes, I know if Auburn loses to UGA and us and if LSU loses to Ark, we go to the SECCG....that's great and all. We can discuss that IF UGA beats AU. Until then, we are playing for PRIDE, which is great, but we need to think about developing our QB for next year as well so that we don't find ourselves in this position again.
To the people that are pointing out McElroy's stats... Yes, they are pretty good, but he checks down WAAAAAAAAYYYY too much. Of course he's going to be completing 69% of his passes when they are 5-7 yd passes! Like I said in my earlier post, an 8.5 ypc avg for Julio is NOT acceptable.
Finally, GMAC's job was on the line in the UT game. I wasn't going to say this and I don't care if you believe me or not, but I know this to be true. So, if the coaching staff was ready to BENCH McElroy, is it really that big of a stretch to think we should AT LEAST start playing McCarron more? I don't think so and I won't be surprised if you see this happen.
Here's to hoping we find a way to get into the SECCG and into a BCS Bowl game and finish 12-2...hopefully at Boise State's humiliating expense.
ROLL TIDE
I NEVER said I wanted McElroy BENCHED. I said I would like to see a 50/50 split or at least 60/40 the rest of the way. I think this makes since.
Also, do we have some things to play for this year? Sure. But last time I checked, at Alabama, we play for CHAMPIONSHIPS! Not a runner up finish in the SEC West. Yes, I know if Auburn loses to UGA and us and if LSU loses to Ark, we go to the SECCG....that's great and all. We can discuss that IF UGA beats AU. Until then, we are playing for PRIDE, which is great, but we need to think about developing our QB for next year as well so that we don't find ourselves in this position again.
To the people that are pointing out McElroy's stats... Yes, they are pretty good, but he checks down WAAAAAAAAYYYY too much. Of course he's going to be completing 69% of his passes when they are 5-7 yd passes! Like I said in my earlier post, an 8.5 ypc avg for Julio is NOT acceptable.
Finally, GMAC's job was on the line in the UT game. I wasn't going to say this and I don't care if you believe me or not, but I know this to be true. So, if the coaching staff was ready to BENCH McElroy, is it really that big of a stretch to think we should AT LEAST start playing McCarron more? I don't think so and I won't be surprised if you see this happen.
Here's to hoping we find a way to get into the SECCG and into a BCS Bowl game and finish 12-2...hopefully at Boise State's humiliating expense.
ROLL TIDE
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I understand your frustration. It's a tough situation, because GMAC has done more good than bad. However, his decisions to take sacks instead of throw the ball in the stands probably cost us at least one of the two losses.
How about a compromise here. I'd be all for letting McCarron play the entire Ga State game. There's no reason to risk injury to any offensive starter that we may need against Auburn. Because we all know, we're gonna have to beat them in a shoot out unless the Cam thing gets him tossed out before the iron bowl. But I'd play most of the defense against Ga State. They all need the reps.
some people swayed me to stay hey you cant say i didnt punctuate that one i just didnt capitalize everything!lolI thought you were done rangerman??
I am glad to see that you decided not to bail. But I would like for you to send me some advil
I mean, we're 10th in the nation in passing efficiency and 36th in the nation in passing offense with McElroy doing most of the heavy lifting in regards to the forward pass. This is all while playing behind statistically one of the worst pass protecting offensive lines in D-1A football. Some sacks have been on McElroy, the vast majority have not.
I just don't see how starting McCarron or splitting snaps is a plan to improve upon what we've already achieved as a passing offense. McElroy is a big time rhythm guy and I think we'd just end up with an out of sync GMac and a young guy trying to find his way while getting pulled randomly.
The real way things can get better is if the offensive line commits to finding an identity, MI and TR magically get healthy, and the defense stops giving up too many explosive plays.
I just don't see how starting McCarron or splitting snaps is a plan to improve upon what we've already achieved as a passing offense. McElroy is a big time rhythm guy and I think we'd just end up with an out of sync GMac and a young guy trying to find his way while getting pulled randomly.
The real way things can get better is if the offensive line commits to finding an identity, MI and TR magically get healthy, and the defense stops giving up too many explosive plays.
and if the argument for playing McCarron more is about "next year"...then I'd love to see a person say that plan to Nick Saban.
oh to be a fly on the wall...maybe a media guy will do it for us. haha
oh to be a fly on the wall...maybe a media guy will do it for us. haha
Ain't this the truth - totally out in left field!:mad2: I've got an idea - why don't we let the coaches decide who starts and who plays, and quit trying to throw players to the wolves!
If you want to "play for next year", then go and be a Tennessee, UGA, Auburn, Florida, USC, or Vandy fan.
Ridiculous statement. It's your right to an opinion. But, ridiculous in mine.
This is the University of Alabama.
Ridiculous statement. It's your right to an opinion. But, ridiculous in mine.
This is the University of Alabama.
Re: McCarron Era
And the answer to your question is YES. I want to see him throw the ball down the field more.
1. That will keep the defense honest
2. Maize & Julio nuff said
I'm just sick of this game management stuff. I don't want a game manager I want a QB that isn't afraid to wing it around a little bit.
With all of that being said I know the answer is not going to AJ this year. But when he's in the game it just seems like he's looking for the big play. I will never forget what McElroy has done for this program but I'm not going to sit back and defend him when I think he needs to step it up.
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Sorry I thought the mods deleted my post. Just found this now. I'm a lot calmer now than I was when I made the initial post but I'm just so frustrated. Greg holds on to the ball way to long and sometimes has WR's wide open! Granted maybe the defensive secondary is making it hard on him but I'm sick of watching him hold the ball forever and get sacked (granted that's better than throwing a dumb pick). I'm sick of the check down passes almost every time.
And the answer to your question is YES. I want to see him throw the ball down the field more.
1. That will keep the defense honest
2. Maize & Julio nuff said
I'm just sick of this game management stuff. I don't want a game manager I want a QB that isn't afraid to wing it around a little bit.
With all of that being said I know the answer is not going to AJ this year. But when he's in the game it just seems like he's looking for the big play. I will never forget what McElroy has done for this program but I'm not going to sit back and defend him when I think he needs to step it up.
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Re: McCarron Era
No I want to see our offense AND Greg go for some big plays. Quit playing so vanilla. I want Greg to take some shots down field. I want us to quit being so predictable. I don't want a game manager at QB I want a guy that is willing to take a chance on a big play. If it was up to Greg he would hit the open 3yd check down instead of throwing deep to Maize or Julio with one guy on them.
LOL, Newton envy!
No I want to see our offense AND Greg go for some big plays. Quit playing so vanilla. I want Greg to take some shots down field. I want us to quit being so predictable. I don't want a game manager at QB I want a guy that is willing to take a chance on a big play. If it was up to Greg he would hit the open 3yd check down instead of throwing deep to Maize or Julio with one guy on them.
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Yeah!! Hell, let's kick Greg off the team entirely!
He only put the SEC Championship game on his shoulders, engineered a game winning drive against Auburn, and was the quarterback on the first team to bring us a National Championship in 17 years...
He only put the SEC Championship game on his shoulders, engineered a game winning drive against Auburn, and was the quarterback on the first team to bring us a National Championship in 17 years...
Wow! Just read through most of this thread & I have to say I don't think even the Bunker is overreacting as much as some of you. No one is trying to throw Greg under the bus & no one is suggesting he be benched. Personally, I think the OP has a pretty good point...start working on next year as much as possible...now. Besides, I think it would give opposing OCs more to prep for & certainly would help ease AJ's transition into an eventual starting role.
No one in his/her right mind would EVER try to discredit Greg's importance nor his contributions to this program....but Greg won't be here next year, & AJ will. JMO.
No one in his/her right mind would EVER try to discredit Greg's importance nor his contributions to this program....but Greg won't be here next year, & AJ will. JMO.
Think it would be a good thing for AJ to get a series every game, next year i think if PS is the backup he needs a series in every game, this would help if there is an injury and would also help the team grow from the experience.Before anybody gets up tight the Bear did this every year.
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