First Two F-35B's (Joint Strike Fighter) Delivered-

I was hoping there would be pic from inside the 'showroom' at the new JSF Training Academy at Eglin. Put in a nice 25 or 30,000 sq ft white epoxy mortar floor there in July of 2010

BSBHVR2 said:

Bout dang time! http://www.nwfdailynews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=46613&db=nwfdn

Click to expand...

Wonder if we'll ever get close to a large/decent number of these planes. Cost overruns, talk of canceling the whole project.

When I heard they were going to use this platform for multiple roles (jump jet, carrier, air superiority, etc), my first thought was McNamara wanted with the F-111....something for everybody (Navy / Air Force), but not a good fit for either at the time. Tho the air force did finally put the "improved" version in service as a light bomber.

I wonder how quickly China will have the designs.......

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/05/9...acebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-fb

[FONT=&quot]Air Force Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, commander of Air Combat Command, this week declared the F-35A fighter jet ready for combat.[/FONT]

Click to expand...

http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchiv...st 08 2016/Air-Force-Celebrates-F-35-IOC.aspx

Air Force Celebrates F-35 IOC

Still doesn't beat the A-10 for close support and I've heard that in 1 on 1 against the F-16, it lost.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

crimsonaudio said:

Yup: Disastrous F-35 vs. F-16 face-off was also a battle of philosophies

Click to expand...

NT16 has and article referenced, too (post #5)...with information from the guys that actually fly...

"A total of 174 U.S. pilots currently have been trained to fly Lockheed Martin’s F-35A Lightning II. The Heritage Foundation recently interviewed 31 of these former F-15C, F-15E, F-16C, and A-10 pilots. Each expressed a high degree of confidence in the F-35A, their new fifth-generation platform.Here are nine insights gleaned from those conversations:
1. Even with developmental restrictions that limit the F-35A’s responsiveness and ability to maneuver, every U.S. fighter pilot interviewed would pick the F-35A over his former jet in a majority of air-to-air (dogfight) engagement scenarios they could face."

crimsonaudio said:

Yup: Disastrous F-35 vs. F-16 face-off was also a battle of philosophies

Click to expand...

hmmm, you say an older plane designed primarily as a dogfighter bested a plane designed to do everything?



There's a freaking reason the F-16 is so popular.

They'll only look like these.

derek4tide said:

I wonder how quickly China will have the designs.......

Click to expand...

Follow Floridians over there in Okaloosa County are thrilled about this.

BSBHVR2 said:

Bout dang time! http://www.nwfdailynews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=46613&db=nwfdn

Click to expand...

crimsonaudio said:

The jack-of-all-trades aspect is the sticking point I've seen so many military people have with the F35. It's supposed to replace the A10 and the F16, yet both of those specialty tools work better than the F35 does for those specific purposes...

Click to expand...

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/05/9...acebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-fb

[FONT=&quot]A total of 174 U.S. pilots currently have been trained to fly Lockheed Martin’s F-35A Lightning II. The Heritage Foundation recently [/FONT]interviewed 31 [FONT=&quot]of these former F-15C, F-15E, F-16C, and A-10 pilots. Each expressed a high degree of confidence in the F-35A, their new fifth-generation platform.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even with developmental restrictions that limit the F-35A’s responsiveness and ability to maneuver, every U.S. fighter pilot interviewed would pick the F-35A over his former jet in a majority of air-to-air (dogfight) engagement scenarios they could face.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] A former F-16C instructor—and graduate of the Air Force Weapons Instructor Course of “Top Gun” fame—said the jet is constrained on how tight it can turn (G-limited) now. But even so, the rudder-assisted turns are incredible and deliver a constant 28 degrees of turn a second. When the Air Force removes the restrictions, this jet will be eye watering.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Three former F-16CJ Wild Weasel instructor pilots, those tasked with attacking surface-to-air missile sites, said a single F-35A can find and attack SAM sites faster and more effectively than three F-16CJ fighters working together.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]A former A-10 instructor pilot said the situational awareness aids associated with the sensor suite of the F-35A allowed pilots to execute close air support missions as well or better than the A-10 in low-threat environments. The F-35A is the only multirole platform capable of conducting close air support in high-threat environments.[/FONT]

TIDE-HSV said:

What bothers me is the entire stealth above everything else philosophy. It won't be that long before that's completely dated technology...

Click to expand...

Pilots (on board) may be next. Maneuverability is limited by how many Gs the human body can withstand.

KentuckianaBFan said:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/08/05/9...acebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-fb

[FONT=&quot]A total of 174 U.S. pilots currently have been trained to fly Lockheed Martin’s F-35A Lightning II. The Heritage Foundation recently [/FONT]interviewed 31 [FONT=&quot]of these former F-15C, F-15E, F-16C, and A-10 pilots. Each expressed a high degree of confidence in the F-35A, their new fifth-generation platform.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even with developmental restrictions that limit the F-35A’s responsiveness and ability to maneuver, every U.S. fighter pilot interviewed would pick the F-35A over his former jet in a majority of air-to-air (dogfight) engagement scenarios they could face.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] A former F-16C instructor—and graduate of the Air Force Weapons Instructor Course of “Top Gun” fame—said the jet is constrained on how tight it can turn (G-limited) now. But even so, the rudder-assisted turns are incredible and deliver a constant 28 degrees of turn a second. When the Air Force removes the restrictions, this jet will be eye watering.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Three former F-16CJ Wild Weasel instructor pilots, those tasked with attacking surface-to-air missile sites, said a single F-35A can find and attack SAM sites faster and more effectively than three F-16CJ fighters working together.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]A former A-10 instructor pilot said the situational awareness aids associated with the sensor suite of the F-35A allowed pilots to execute close air support missions as well or better than the A-10 in low-threat environments. The F-35A is the only multirole platform capable of conducting close air support in high-threat environments.[/FONT]

Click to expand...

"Quick, the press is calling, we need 30 guys who are willing to say they love the F35 in some way!"

Sorry, that whole article reads like a nice propaganda piece. I also highly doubt that any A-10 pilot thinks an F35 is superior to his aircraft.


I'm not surprised an aircraft delivered in 2016 has better technology than one designed in the 70s and 80s. But specialization is always better than multirole. The Germans were real big on multirole aircraft in WWII. They were real good at getting shot down by air superiority fighters.

I don't know why we are insisting on constraining ourselves with one aircraft to fill all roles. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. We have multirole aircraft. It's called the C-130. Cargo, airborne, gunship, instrument plane, etc. that's where multirole should stay. In support.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And I always thought "Top Gun" was the nickname for the Naval Fighter Weapons School.
Granted, the USAF does have an equivalent.