Santorum: Satan is working on the USA

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I believe in the "Render into Caesar..." philosophy; what I don't agree with is the line of thinking that business can be separated from religion. You can't proclaim to be a Christian and screw and impoverish everybody you meet; those two scenarios cannot logically coexist.
In public schools, kids should be taught about all religions, because you can't separate religion from anything historically, and be accurate.
In government, religion should not exist; using as a guide those religious ideals and tenets that have been historically accepted as the dichotomy of "right and wrong" is OK, even necessary IMO; but constantly interjecting God and Satan into political discourse is just not productive. IMO
Have you EVER read anything from the FOUNDING FATHERS?

Many quotes from them all about God/satan/this country and the original laws/Constitution/Ammendments worked just fine. Its been the LIBERAL insertion in the last 50 or so years that has messed this country up and will continue to do so.

I'm afraid that this country is doomed if we do not see a great revival throughout the land.
 

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Have you EVER read anything from the FOUNDING FATHERS?

Many quotes from them all about God/satan/this country and the original laws/Constitution/Ammendments worked just fine. Its been the LIBERAL insertion in the last 50 or so years that has messed this country up and will continue to do so.

I'm afraid that this country is doomed if we do not see a great revival throughout the land.
verbal assault in 3.....2......1........
 

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Have you EVER read anything from the FOUNDING FATHERS?

Many quotes from them all about God/satan/this country and the original laws/Constitution/Ammendments worked just fine. Its been the LIBERAL insertion in the last 50 or so years that has messed this country up and will continue to do so.

I'm afraid that this country is doomed if we do not see a great revival throughout the land.
As often, and maybe more than you have - maybe not. Where was the Islam back then? Buddhism? Judaism? "Freedom of religion" means just that, and it also means you have no right to force yours on anyone else.
 

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Have you EVER read anything from the FOUNDING FATHERS?

Many quotes from them all about God/satan/this country and the original laws/Constitution/Ammendments worked just fine. Its been the LIBERAL insertion in the last 50 or so years that has messed this country up and will continue to do so.

I'm afraid that this country is doomed if we do not see a great revival throughout the land.
Most of the quotes I have seen were about preventing religion from dominating politics.
 

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Most of the quotes I have seen were about preventing religion from dominating politics.
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I do think one reference in a quote by Adams about "carloads" is inaccurate, but I think most of it is correct.
 

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Most of the quotes I have seen were about preventing religion from dominating politics.

George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian." [SUB]
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.[/SUB]
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." [SUB]
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.[/SUB]
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." [SUB]
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.[/SUB]
"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever." [SUB]
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.[/SUB]
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event." [SUB]
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.[/SUB]
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." [SUB]
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.[/SUB]
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us." [SUB]
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.[/SUB]
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see; But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
 

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Most of the quotes I have seen were about preventing religion from dominating politics.

Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution
"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace." [SUB]
--As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.[/SUB]
James Madison
4th U.S. President
"Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ." [SUB]
--America's Providential History, p. 93.[/SUB]
James Monroe
5th U.S. President
"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good." [SUB]
--Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.[/SUB]
John Quincy Adams
6th U.S. President
"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)." [SUB]
--Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.[/SUB]
William Penn
Founder of Pennsylvania
"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself." [SUB]
--Treatise of the Religion of the Quakers, p. 355.[/SUB]
Roger Sherman
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution
"I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God, and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. That God has foreordained whatsoever comes to pass, so as thereby he is not the author or approver of sin. That he creates all things, and preserves and governs all creatures and all their actions, in a manner perfectly consistent with the freedom of will in moral agents, and the usefulness of means. That he made man at first perfectly holy, that the first man sinned, and as he was the public head of his posterity, they all became sinners in consequence of his first transgression, are wholly indisposed to that which is good and inclined to evil, and on account of sin are liable to all the miseries of this life, to death, and to the pains of hell forever.
I believe that God having elected some of mankind to eternal life, did send his own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind, so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the gospel offer: also by his special grace and spirit, to regenerate, sanctify and enable to persevere in holiness, all who shall be saved; and to procure in consequence of their repentance and faith in himself their justification by virtue of his atonement as the only meritorious cause.
I believe a visible church to be a congregation of those who make a credible profession of their faith in Christ, and obedience to him, joined by the bond of the covenant. I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment."
 

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Most of the quotes I have seen were about preventing religion from dominating politics.

Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!" [SUB]
--The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.[/SUB]
"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy." [SUB]
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.[/SUB]
"I know there is an objection among many people to teaching children doctrines of any kind, because they are liable to be controverted. But let us not be wiser than our Maker.
If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into all the world would have been unnecessary. The perfect morality of the gospel rests upon the doctrine which, though often controverted has never been refuted: I mean the vicarious life and death of the Son of God." [SUB]
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.[/SUB]
John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Clergyman and President of Princeton University
"While we give praise to God, the Supreme Disposer of all events, for His interposition on our behalf, let us guard against the dangerous error of trusting in, or boasting of, an arm of flesh ... If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts.
What follows from this? That he is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind.
Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country." [SUB]
--Sermon at Princeton University, "The Dominion of Providence over the Passions of Men," May 17, 1776.[/SUB]
Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man." [SUB]
--Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.[/SUB]
Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [SUB]
--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.[/SUB]
"The Bible ... is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed." [SUB]
--Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry, p. 402.[/SUB]
John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society
"By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.
The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement "for the sins of the whole world," and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve." [SUB]
--In God We Trust—The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers, p. 379. [/SUB]"In forming and settling my belief relative to the doctrines of Christianity, I adopted no articles from creeds but such only as, on careful examination, I found to be confirmed by the Bible."
 

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Someone please remind me how many slaves Thomas Jefferson bedded. And it was the syphilis that got ol' Ben in the end.

Smart men, but hypocrites in more ways than one.

I guess it was Satan working through them. ;)
 

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The Founders were of the Age of Enlightenment, and, as such, many were deists. While they considered themselves Christian, their focus on reason made them skeptical of miralces, Jesus' divinity, prophecies, and other religious "mysteries".
 
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nx4bama

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Someone please remind me how many slaves Thomas Jefferson bedded. And it was the syphilis that got ol' Ben in the end.

Smart men, but hypocrites in more ways than one.

I guess it was Satan working through them. ;)
none of them claimed to be perfect.... im sure lilred would not claim to be either
 
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