Audemus jura nostra defendere
"When a loaf of bread looks like a banquet, I've no right buying tobacco. " - Grandpa Joe
Faith has led me to just as much knowledge as empiric observation. In fact empiric observation has let me to more faith than less. I can understand someone with no faith making this statement, but as someone who has faith I see this as a very uninformed and inexperienced opinion.
Last edited by mittman; April 4th, 2012 at 01:44 PM.
It's better to give than to receive
Not tooting my own horn here, but I have truly tested that hypothesis enough to know it is true well beyond any possibility of a statistical outlier. I can't tell you how many times that it has imporved my day doing it. More convincingly, I can't tell you how many times it came back in amounts equal to or more than I gave in the act, and in a way that to consider it a consequence would be laughable.
You may not consider this scientific in the pure sense of the word, but it has been repeatable, quantifiable, and observable to me.
SIAP It is not science that I have a problem with, it is junk science that has been bought and paid for to promote an ideology or political movement. It is the scientific "consensus" arrived at with grant money provided with that objective stated up front that brings skepticism into the conclusions.
"There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment."-Nick Saban
Climate change fits in right along with this. If the climate is going to change drastically enough to change the way we live then the obvious move is to find a bureaucratic solution. If people are causing the change then something can be done about it. But go find a study with conclusive evidence that price and wage fixing are harmful to those they are supposed to help, and a "typical" democrat will tell you that's a bunch of BS. So much for trusting the scientific process! We are all hypocritical in some respects, and democrats are not somehow different, superior people that are impervious to accepting "evidence" that goes along with their viewpoint and discrediting that which doesn't.
This narrative about conservatives being a pack of chanting druids is ridiculous. Just look at the national dialog, esp in the media. If you don't trust climate science then you are a "denier". A "denier" implies that one does not accept something that is patently true. You are covering your ears and tralala-ing as loud as you can. Well nobody wants to be the idiot who won't accept the obvious so they join the "crowd". The whole discussion is slanted right off the bat. Etc.
As for the thread topic, I am in the same boat as most everyone else. I have no problem with science. But the "science" behind global warming/climate change is very fuzzy. A conclusion is based on data derived from assumptions built on assumption built on assumptions. It's like the old radioactive fallout equations. A bunch a variables with no real known value were multiplied together to get a "scientific" answer to a problem with large scale ramifications on the earth. Then everybody took that data and ran with it because it was the best they had and you certainly can't afford to be wrong in such circumstances. And because the math is foggy we get this whole "consensus" drivel. The conclusion of the climate models can not be proved, their accuracy can not be proved, many variables within the models can not be proved, so the makers of such models have to resort to "everybody else is doing it too". Well that's just stellar logic. So we get to this point of, "if it is true we are doomed; we have no better data; we MUST try something just in case". I refuse to accept those assumptions because crap data is crap data no matter how much of it there is. There is no need to jump for the sake of jumping.
This was meant to be a short, 3-sentence tops post, but I got a little carried away. Sorry.
Last edited by RammerJammer14; April 4th, 2012 at 08:05 PM.
-Why's it us Sergeant? Why us?
-Because we're here lad. Nobody else. Just us.
-"I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
-"So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."