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    Note TideFans 2012 Crown Jewel Countdown

    Our annual countdown is scheduled to begin this Friday (4/6) with signees 26-23 . Subsequent releases will include 22-19 , 18-15 , 14-11 , 10-8 , 7-5 , 4-3 and 2-1 .


    As always , and in order to prevent repetitive questioning , we ask that our readers acknowledge the ratings system in place which differs greatly from the usual suspects - Scout and Rivals . Below is a quick review along a few recently departed players cited as examples ...

    The first 2 groupings are for players who are expected to become the core of their team over the next 3 to 5 seasons .
    5 - This rating is for players who are expected to be in the fold when it comes to annual All American teams and are also expected to be in the running for first team all-conference honors over multiple seasons - Andre Smith .
    4.5 - High quality multi-year starters who are among the best at their position in the SEC . These players are also highly likely be in the running for all-conference honors - Mike Johnson .

    4 - Solid D-1 athletes who start and excel for 2 or more seasons - Brandon Deaderick .
    3.5 - These players should become fixtures in the rotation at their position and should earn starting assingments at some point prior to the conclusion of their career - Luther Davis .


    The next groupings pretty much are what they are .
    3 - This rating is for signees who are expected to earn some rotation at their position while continuing to push those who are playing ahead of them - Alex Watkins .
    2.5 - Players who are limited when it comes to overall ability , but should see some playing time on special teams or regularly late in games , usually against teams generally viewed as being lesser opponents - Milton Talbert .

    2 - This is a rating I have always used for specialists - P/K/Ret. .
    I've been asked many times over the years as to what brought this about . It's really pretty simple . (1) Back during the 1980's and on into the mid to even latter 90's just about every analyst in the business would give every specialist who received an offer from any notable program a 5 star rating . Why ? A kicker is only certain to see the field for one play per game . The same holds true for return specialists while a punter has no gaurantee of ever stepping foot on the field of play in any game . Obviously such happenings are extreme rarities and while these players are clearly very valuable assets for each and every team , I have always been of the opinion that no team should receive a boost in overall class rankings by virtue of signing a player who is not expected to contribute to the extent of any regular position player . (2) Speaking of player and class ratings or rankings ... I have always been of the belief that the higher a class is rated there is a trickle down effect resulting in more pressure for each signee . This is one of the reasons my ratings are almost always lower than any of those viewed elsewhere . There is already enough pressure on these kids as it is and there's no need for the staff here at TideFans to pile on by inflating any prospect . Simply put , we are not in the business of selling headlines which is commonly the practice in place over at Rivals and Scout . We do not wish to compete in any way with any service and will continue in our attempt to offer nothing more than honest evaluations . This may not always be in line with what fans want or prefer . Just please remember to keep in mind the more players become over-hyped , more dissapointments and shattered impression are in store . Such practices are not and never will be fair for any aspiring athlete in any sport .
    1 - Sleeper types who may boom or bust - Nick Gentry , Nick Fanuzzi .
    Yes , this is another rating put in place in order to drive down class rankings . Some sleepers are expected to perform better than most would expect while others simply are not viewed as being clear-cut legitimate D-1 signees . Which side of the fence a players falls on should become evident upon reading their evaluation .


    As always , we both encourage and respect the opinions and contributions we receive from each and every TideFans member . Here's to Friday when 2012 signees 26-23 will be released .
    Last edited by LCN; April 6th, 2012 at 05:18 PM.
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    Re: TideFans 2012 Crown Jewel Countdown

    2012 brings yet another crop of star-studded signees to Tuscaloosa . This comes as no surprise as Nick Saban has clearly established such success as being nothing more than an annual routine . This class includes quality players at every position and is particularly strong on the defensive side of the equation with 5 new defensive linemen , 5 linebackers and 4 defensive backs . The Tide was also able to land a high profile kicker . On offense , Alabama brings in 1 quarterback , 2 running backs , 4 receivers and a tight end . There are 3 offensive linemen included as well , but one could eventually end up moving over to the defensive line at some point . This does provide some genuine cause for concern since in a perfect world many to most schools would prefer to sign at least 4 offensive linemen each and every year . One immediate and already available option would be talented freshman defensive line signee Alphonse Taylor who is already enrolled and participating in Spring practice . If not , the Alabama coaching staff could always end up heading back to the JUCO circuit in search of the next James Carpenter in order to eliminate any upcoming gap along the offensive front .


    Part I - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...88#post1867088
    1 26 - Caleb Gulledge - OL/DL
    1 25 - Dakota Ball - DL
    2 24 - Adam Griffith - PK
    2.5 23 - Brandon Hill - OL


    Part II - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...50#post1870950
    3 22 - Darren Lake - NT
    3 21 - Dalvin Tomlinson - DE
    3.5 20 - Alec Morris - QB
    3.5 19 - Korren Kirven - DL


    Part III - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165881
    3.5 18 - Brandon Greene - OT
    3.5 17 - Kurt Freitag - TE/H-Back
    4 16 - Tyler Hayes - SLB/H-Back
    4 15 - Alphonse Taylor - OL/DL


    Part IV - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...04#post1880404
    4 14 - Kenyan Drake - RB
    4 13 - Chris Black - WR
    4 12 - Denzell Devall - MLB
    4 11 - Dillon Lee - LB


    * Part V - 5/8 - Our original thread was lost due a maintenance related issue .
    http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...32#post1883832
    4 10 - Cyrus Jones - WR/CB
    4.5 9 - Travell Dixon - DB
    4.5 8 - Eddie Williams - WR/S


    Part VI - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...36#post1886236
    4.5 7 - Geno Smith - CB
    4.5 6 - Amari Cooper - WR
    4.5 5 - Deion Belue - CB


    Part VII - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...50#post1889950
    4.5 4 - Ryan Anderson - JLB
    5 3 - TJ Yeldon - RB


    Part VIII - http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showt...03#post1895903
    5 2 - Reggie Ragland - ILB
    5 1 - Landon Collins - S
    Last edited by LCN; May 30th, 2012 at 05:49 PM.
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    Re: TideFans 2012 Crown Jewel Countdown

    At the bottom there are some breakdowns which indicate how highly regarded the 2012 signing class is when compared to classes from 2008 through 2011 .

    The most common theme during our countdown was the extreme degree of agreement we had between staff members . There were really only 2 players with mixed reviews - Eddie Williams and Kurt Freitag . Brandon Hill would be another one when considering RTO's 4-star rating .



    First up , our most generous staffer
    RTO

    5
    1 -- Collins
    2 -- Ragland
    3 -- E. Williaims
    4 -- Yeldon
    5 -- R. Anderson

    4.5
    6 -- Cooper
    7 -- Belue
    8 -- T. Dixon
    9 -- G. Smith
    10 - Drake
    11 - T. Hayes

    4
    12 - C. Jones
    13 - D. Lee
    14 - C. Black
    15 - Devall
    16 - A. Taylor
    17 - Tomlinson
    18 - Kirven
    19 - A. Morris
    20 - B. Hill (Easily his highest star rating .)
    21 - D. Lake
    22 - B. Greene

    3.5
    23 - Freitag

    2.5
    24 - D. Ball
    25 - Gulledge

    2
    26 - A. Griffith



    Mack

    5
    1 -- Ragland
    2 -- Collins
    3 -- Anderson
    4 -- Yeldon
    5 -- Cooper
    6 -- E. Williams

    4.5
    7 -- Devall
    8 -- Belue
    9 -- G. Smith
    10 - Drake
    11 - T. Dixon
    12 - C. Jones

    4
    13 - D. Lee

    3.5
    14 - C. Black
    15 - A. Taylor
    16 - T. Hayes
    17 - B. Greene
    18 - A. Morris
    19 - Tomlinson (Rated up and down due to a knee injury back in March before being slotted here .)

    3
    20 - Kirven
    21 - D. Lake
    22 - D. Ball
    23 - Freitag

    2.5
    24 - B. Hill

    2
    25 - Griffith

    1
    26 - Gulledge


    LCN

    5
    1 -- L. Collins
    2 -- TJ Yeldon

    4.5
    3 -- R. Ragland
    4 -- D. Belue

    4
    5 -- A. Cooper
    6 -- G. Smith
    7 -- R. Anderson
    8 -- T. Dixon
    9 -- D. Lee
    10 - C. Jones
    11 - D. Devall
    12 - A. Taylor
    13 - C. Black
    14 - K. Drake
    15 - K. Freitag (His highest placement .)

    3.5
    16 - B. Greene
    17 - A. Morris (RTO gave Alec the highest rating(4) , but I had him the highest from 1-26 . And his mechanics have improved since the end of his senior season .)
    18 - E. Williams (Clearly his lowest showing .)
    19 - K. Kirven

    3
    20 - T. Hayes
    21 - D. Tomlinson
    22 - D. Lake

    2.5
    23 - C. Gulledge
    24 - B. Hill

    2
    25 - A. Griffith

    1
    26 - D. Ball
    Last edited by LCN; August 30th, 2012 at 01:56 AM. Reason: oops
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    Re: TideFans 2012 Crown Jewel Countdown

    Since we've had different participants each year , these comparisons involve only my ratings .

    2008 - 32 - 3.437 - The '08 average was lowered by the larger number of players at the bottom of the class .
    29 - 3.586
    26 - 3.750
    25 - 3.780

    2009 - 29 - 3.534
    26 - 3.769
    25 - 3.820

    2010 - 29 - 3.310
    26 - 3.403
    25 - 3.440

    2011 - 25 - 3.280
    26 = N/A

    2012 - 26 - 3.615
    25 - 3.720
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    Re: TideFans 2012 Crown Jewel Countdown

    There were some other points I wanted to touch on , but simply have not had the time to get around to it . That and I lost part of my notes
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