2013 TE Josh McNeil no longer considered an Alabama commit (Page 5 for details)

Tide Warrior · Dec 15, 2012

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From Watts:

Nobody knew about McNeil. This all happened really fast and in a hurry this week. It was unexpected and unfortunate. I talked to my LSU guys just a little while ago and they confirmed again that there is no way McNeil can be SEC eligible at mid-year. His transcript won't allow it. And he's insisting on being mid-year guy. He's in a tough position.

What happens from here is up to him. I'm still waiting to hear if he's ok to still sign with someone for 2013 class.

BTW it was LSU's people that found the error on his transcript per BOL.

DurdenTider · Dec 15, 2012

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That's really disappointing b/c UA could really use a blocking TE in this class not to say UA still can't get one but it's pretty late in the game. Don't understand why he still couldn't be apart of the 2013 class just not an EE especially if he can't EE anywhere in the SEC?

Tide Warrior · Dec 15, 2012

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This may be a Alfy Hill type of situation. Before he went to prep school that was an issue with his transcripts and a core class from where he transferred to his charter school. He may have thrown up a redflag and the staff does not want a repeat of Hill.

I also wonder if we will go after E Robinson. The AU commit now. There was interest there not to long ago.

deliveryman35 · Dec 15, 2012

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Tide Warrior said:
We have been making a late push for H Henry a Ark commit. But it will definitely open a spot for an EE. Hopefully Massington

I'm thinking this is how we now shoehorn Massington into the class also. Would still love to have another TE, though, especially with Michael Williams graduating. It's a crucial part of our O.

Tide Warrior · Dec 15, 2012

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But I could easily see D Henry play HB and Howard the TE in our offense. Would actually be a nightmare for opposing defenses in the future.

deliveryman35 · Dec 15, 2012

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Tide Warrior said:
But I could easily see D Henry play HB and Howard the TE in our offense. Would actually be a nightmare for opposing defenses in the future.

Absolutely, I just think added depth at the TE position would be good. The way OJ is built, he could almost be a hybrid between a WR and a TE, don't you think?

BamaMoon · Dec 15, 2012

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So LSU found the error on his transcript??? How does this work? Would NCAA have caught this before his addition to the class (assuming Bama wouldn't have)?

Also is this simply about him being an EE? If so and he can do the classroom work in the spring to fix it, why can't he just come in during the summer term?

psupoop · Dec 15, 2012

BamaMoon said:
So LSU found the error on his transcript??? How does this work? Would NCAA have caught this before his addition to the class (assuming Bama wouldn't have)?

Also is this simply about him being an EE? If so and he can do the classroom work in the spring to fix it, why can't he just come in during the summer term?

We probably aren't interested in using a spot in this class to sign and place him. LSU may have room though.

BamaMoon · Dec 15, 2012

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Sorry, but I still don't understand what the issue is here. Is there not time for him to get the necessary credits in the spring? Guys that aren't early enrollees still have to finish high school in the spring semester, but many of these guys go ahead and sign in Feb.

Is JM's situation not fixable with finishing high school in the spring is my question?

psupoop · Dec 15, 2012

BamaMoon said:
Sorry, but I still don't understand what the issue is here. Is there not time for him to get the necessary credits in the spring? Guys that aren't early enrollees still have to finish high school in the spring semester, but many of these guys go ahead and sign in Feb.

Is JM's situation not fixable with finishing high school in the spring is my question?

No clue. Maybe that will come out of an interview.

bamabelle1991 · Dec 15, 2012

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He was so excited about playing for Bama! Sad news!

GP for Bama · Dec 15, 2012

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Because of the SEC's 25 only rule, teams are not willing to sign and place in JUCO much anymore.

rgw · Dec 16, 2012

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BamaMoon said:
So LSU found the error on his transcript??? How does this work? Would NCAA have caught this before his addition to the class (assuming Bama wouldn't have)?

Also is this simply about him being an EE? If so and he can do the classroom work in the spring to fix it, why can't he just come in during the summer term?

Seems like his offer was contingent on being here in Spring 2013 and since he can't do it, he won't get an offer.

Alasippi · Dec 16, 2012

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..another victim of everything in this country being so regulated that people barely even know how to function any more

KrAzY3 · Dec 16, 2012

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GP for Bama said:
Because of the SEC's 25 only rule, teams are not willing to sign and place in JUCO much anymore.

It is an effective lowering of the scholarship limit. You had 25 scholarships, now you can only sign 25 players. The difference is massive.

Let's consider it like this. Say you are an NFL team and you have 53 roster slots. Imagine they made a rule that said you could only sign 53 players that year. Get the difference? If someone gets hurt, if someone quits, what ever happens you only have 53 potential players to fill 53 slots.

This puts the SEC at a huge disadvantage. If someone might sign with an MLB team? You can't take the risk, because coupled with the SEC's stupid rule against MLB players (not an NCAA rule) you just flushed a slot away. You sign a guy and he has transcript issues? Oops, one less scholarship. Of course this destroys the sign and place stuff, which was a way for a school to show support for a player who had to go to JUCO to get things in order. It's a stupid rule and it was pushed through by people that seemed to have no idea what they were talking about. For whose sake was this rule? Who did it really benefit?

EHSWildkats · Dec 16, 2012

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KrAzY3 said:
It is an effective lowering of the scholarship limit. You had 25 scholarships, now you can only sign 25 players. The difference is massive.

Let's consider it like this. Say you are an NFL team and you have 53 roster slots. Imagine they made a rule that said you could only sign 53 players that year. Get the difference? If someone gets hurt, if someone quits, what ever happens you only have 53 potential players to fill 53 slots.

This puts the SEC at a huge disadvantage. If someone might sign with an MLB team? You can't take the risk, because coupled with the SEC's stupid rule against MLB players (not an NCAA rule) you just flushed a slot away. You sign a guy and he has transcript issues? Oops, one less scholarship. Of course this destroys the sign and place stuff, which was a way for a school to show support for a player who had to go to JUCO to get things in order. It's a stupid rule and it was pushed through by people that seemed to have no idea what they were talking about. For whose sake was this rule? Who did it really benefit?

Non-SEC teams.

Tide Warrior · Dec 16, 2012

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KrAzY3 said:
It is an effective lowering of the scholarship limit. You had 25 scholarships, now you can only sign 25 players. The difference is massive.

Let's consider it like this. Say you are an NFL team and you have 53 roster slots. Imagine they made a rule that said you could only sign 53 players that year. Get the difference? If someone gets hurt, if someone quits, what ever happens you only have 53 potential players to fill 53 slots.

This puts the SEC at a huge disadvantage. If someone might sign with an MLB team? You can't take the risk, because coupled with the SEC's stupid rule against MLB players (not an NCAA rule) you just flushed a slot away. You sign a guy and he has transcript issues? Oops, one less scholarship. Of course this destroys the sign and place stuff, which was a way for a school to show support for a player who had to go to JUCO to get things in order. It's a stupid rule and it was pushed through by people that seemed to have no idea what they were talking about. For whose sake was this rule? Who did it really benefit?

The Big10 has had this rule in place for a long time. They actually are more strict than the SEC right now. Even with the 25 rule in the SEC we still sign 25 x 4 =100 to fit into the 85 max limit. That gives us a +15 margin of error already. I am not naive and realize that each year we move people off the roster that in other conferences would still be playing. I mean how else do you take 9 scholarship seniors and 4 NFL bound Jrs, which =13 and fit 25 into their spots.

I have no issue with the way we manage our roster, but in no way is someone going to convince me that we sit in an unfair advantage because of the new SEC 25 rule.

BamaFanatJSU · Dec 16, 2012

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Tide Warrior said:
The Big10 has had this rule in place for a long time. They actually are more strict than the SEC right now. Even with the 25 rule in the SEC we still sign 25 x 4 =100 to fit into the 85 max limit. That gives us a +15 margin of error already. I am not naive and realize that each year we move people off the roster that in other conferences would still be playing. I mean how else do you take 9 scholarship seniors and 4 NFL bound Jrs, which =13 and fit 25 into their spots.

I have no issue with the way we manage our roster, but in no way is someone going to convince me that we sit in an unfair advantage because of the new SEC 25 rule.

Well said, sir. While I would love to have JM in this class, your point is valid nonetheless.

allybama2009 · Dec 17, 2012

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I saw where he said he "really respected coach miles" on his twitter feed. I assume he will lean that way towards LSWHO?

BigEasyTider · Dec 17, 2012

Hate this one is turning out like this, but this does explain our interest in other tight ends as of late.

We'll see how it plays out. Certainly a talented kid, though. If he can get qualified, in time he ought to develop into a real asset.

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