News Article: Fort Hood shooting report: FBI didn't heed warnings

banjeaux

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Two years to come up with a CYA report. All the while, the answer was readily clear with first reports, this was a terrible case of political correctness run amuck in our military.

Folks, we are in deep, deep ...


WASHINGTON - FBI agents on a joint terrorism task force failed to heed signs of Muslim radicalization before Army Maj. Nidal Hasan went on a Fort Hood shooting rampage that left 13 soldiers dead, according to two-year review released Thursday.
Former FBI Director William Webster concluded that the mistakes made by the FBI agents were not intentional and that those agents should not be held responsible or punished for failing to prevent the November 2009 tragedy.
Instead, the report offers 18 formal recommendations to improve and detect terrorist threats, according to Webster, who conducted the review.
"We have not hesitated to identify shortcomings when we found them," Webster said. "We do not find, and do not believe, that anyone is solely responsible for mistakes in handling the information."

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...d-shooting-report-FBI-didn-t-heed-3721386.php
 

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What I find most interesting is that no charges have been preferred against the shooter. The premeditated murder of soldiers and civilians has been reclassified as "work place violence" and is being quietly swept under the rug.
Thank you, Mr. Muslim President. :rolleyes:
 

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Judge orders Hasan's beard shaved before court-martial

I wish the judge had ordered him back to court the next day clean shaven, even if by force. Hasan is playing games. I'd show him that he is still in Army, if I were judge.

A military judge said Wednesday that accused Fort Hood gunman Maj. Nidal Hasan will be forcibly shaved before his Aug. 20 court-martial unless the Army psychiatrist relents and agrees to remove the beard he has grown over the past two months.

Col. Gregory Gross, the judge, also found Hasan to be in contempt for violating Army grooming standards and fined him $1,000.

Gross and Hasan have been at odds over the beard since June, when Hasan appeared in court with facial hair he said he grew because of his Islamic faith. He petitioned Army officials for a religious exemption to grow the beard but was rejected in late June. Since he appeared with the beard, Hasan has watched pretrial proceedings on closed-circuit television from a trailer outside the Fort Hood courtroom.

Gross said Wednesday that he wanted Hasan in the courtroom during the court-martial to avoid a potential appeal. Hasan faces the death penalty on 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the Nov. 5, 2009, mass shooting at Fort Hood.
Army rules say prisoners who refuse to shave "may be restrained with the reasonable force necessary" to apply electric hair clippers and a restraint chair may be used. All uses of force must be videotaped and officials must produce a "detailed written report" afterward.
 
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US Army is making a fool of itself for everyone to see.

They do usually have a whole bunch of new shiny equipment though. ;)
 

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political correctness has never helped anyone. all it does is contribute to an environment of mistrust and innocent people end up being harmed.
 

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Judge: Fort Hood suspect can be forcibly shaved

Finally, someone is exhibiting some spheres!

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Judge-Fort-Hood-suspect-can-be-forcibly-shaved-3805780.php


A military judge says he has the right to order an Army psychiatrist charged in the 2009 Fort Hood shooting rampage to be forcibly shaved before his murder trial.Col. Gregory Gross says other defendants previously have been ordered to shave. He filed a response Wednesday with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

Last week that court delayed Maj. Nidal Hasan's upcoming court-martial while it considers his objection to being forcibly shaved.


The Army prohibits beards but Hasan has grown one to express his Muslim faith. Gross has banned Hasan from courtroom hearings, but said he will be forcibly shaved before the trial if he doesn't shave himself.


Hasan faces the death penalty if convicted in the attack on the Texas Army post that killed 13.
 

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Re: Judge: Fort Hood suspect can be forcibly shaved

Along the lines of political correctness in our military, anyone think the head of Joint Chiefs may have stepped in it when he commented on Former Navy Seals and other former military members coming out against Obama and the various security leaks including details of the killing of Bin Laden? These were not active duty people, these are former members of the military who were honorably discharged.

There is a major problem with leadership at the highest level in our military today, in my opinion.
 

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Re: Judge: Fort Hood suspect can be forcibly shaved

Back up a sec.

He joins the military, then suddenly wants to grow his beard for his religion? He's a Major too... it's not like he enlisted and suddenly figured this out.

And yes, our military has some issues, and they start at the top. Let us not demonize our brave soldiers (not that anyone here is) - it is the military complex that is failing them, NOT the other way around.

This guy, however, needs the chair. Or whatever they do to these guys in the military. Lethal injection seems too nice.
 

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Re: Judge: Fort Hood suspect can be forcibly shaved

Back up a sec.

He joins the military, then suddenly wants to grow his beard for his religion? He's a Major too... it's not like he enlisted and suddenly figured this out.

And yes, our military has some issues, and they start at the top. Let us not demonize our brave soldiers (not that anyone here is) - it is the military complex that is failing them, NOT the other way around.

This guy, however, needs the chair. Or whatever they do to these guys in the military. Lethal injection seems too nice.
I agree with what you are saying here but you need to slow down a little. We only have a week and a half until season starts and if you don't slow down a little you will sprang a finger. We don't need you on the sidelines with an injury. Just incase you don't know what I'm talking about, you are posting in every thread at record pace. ;)
 

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Re: Judge: Fort Hood suspect can be forcibly shaved

I agree with what you are saying here but you need to slow down a little. We only have a week and a half until season starts and if you don't slow down a little you will sprang a finger. We don't need you on the sidelines with an injury. Just incase you don't know what I'm talking about, you are posting in every thread at record pace. ;)
~laughs~ Sorry - lunch break over here. ;p
 

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Accused Fort Hood Shooter Paid $278,000 While Awaiting Trial

http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigation...id-278000-While-Awaiting-Trial-208230691.html

The Department of Defense confirms to NBC 5 Investigates that accused Fort Hood shooter Major Nidal Hasan has now been paid more than $278,000 since the Nov. 5, 2009 shooting that left 13 dead 32 injured. The Army said under the Military Code of Justice, Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty.

If Hasan had been a civilian defense department employee, NBC 5 Investigates has learned, the Army could have suspended his pay after just seven days.

Personnel rules for most civilian government workers allow for "indefinite suspensions" in cases "when the agency has reasonable cause to believe that the employee has committed a crime for which a sentence of imprisonment may be imposed."

Meanwhile, more than three years later soldiers wounded in the mass shooting are fighting to receive the same pay and medical benefits given to those wounded in combat.


Retired Army Spc. Logan Burnett, a reservist who, in 2009, was soon to be deployed to Iraq, was shot three times when a gunman opened fire inside the Army Deployment Center.


“I honestly thought I was going to die in that building,” said Burnett. “Just blood everywhere and then the thought of -- that's my blood everywhere.”


Burnett nearly died. He's had more than a dozen surgeries since the shooting, and says post-traumatic stress still keeps him up at night.


Burnett is now fighting a new battle; only this one is against the U.S. Army.

The Army has not classified the wounds of the Ft. Hood victims as “combat related” and declines to label the shooting a “terrorist attack”,

The “combat related” designation is an important one, for without it Burnett and other shooting victims are not given combat-related pay, they are not eligible for Purple Heart retirement or medical benefits given to other soldiers wounded either at war or during the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon.


As a result, Burnett, his wife Torey, and the families of other Fort Hood victims miss out on thousands of dollars of potential benefits and pay every year.

To Burnett the shooting felt like combat.

“You take three rounds and lose five good friends and watch seven other people get killed in front of you. Do you have another term that we can classify that as?” asked Burnett.


The Army has categorized the shooting as a case of “workplace violence.”
 

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