Auburn will be (IS) a first class wreck

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Ole Man Dan

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Lastly... (for me anyway...)
I have a friend who teaches in Memphis. (different school, now)
She says MUMS the word. Teachers she has known for years are being closed mouth...

I agree it would take several grade changes to make much of a change in GPA.
I wonder if any teachers checked on grades for the previous years, to see if changes were made to any others?
 
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Lastly... (for me anyway...)
I have a friend who teaches in Memphis. (different school, now)
She says MUMS the word. Teachers she has known for years are being closed mouth...

I agree it would take several grade changes to make much of a change in GPA.
I wonder if any teachers checked on grades for the previous years, to see if changes were made to any others?
somebody mighta got eheir hand caught in the memphis cookie jar
 

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On their 0-2 start...I checked out their boards (and have since taken a bath), but they are a mess. The temp got real hot under chiznit today.(Does 'Croomed' still apply?) I dont think chiznit can make it out if they go 5-7 and we absolutely smoke em the way we did last year. If they lose to Arky, LSU and GA, as expected, then we are their absolute measuring stick. If we run them out of the building,I think Chiznit is toast, a mere two years after winning a championship.
 

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On their 0-2 start...I checked out their boards (and have since taken a bath), but they are a mess. The temp got real hot under chiznit today.(Does 'Croomed' still apply?) I dont think chiznit can make it out if they go 5-7 and we absolutely smoke em the way we did last year. If they lose to Arky, LSU and GA, as expected, then we are their absolute measuring stick. If we run them out of the building,I think Chiznit is toast, a mere two years after winning a championship.
Who will be harder Arky (w/o Wilson) or LaMo. Payback is such a .....
 
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On their 0-2 start...I checked out their boards (and have since taken a bath), but they are a mess. The temp got real hot under chiznit today.(Does 'Croomed' still apply?) I dont think chiznit can make it out if they go 5-7 and we absolutely smoke em the way we did last year. If they lose to Arky, LSU and GA, as expected, then we are their absolute measuring stick. If we run them out of the building,I think Chiznit is toast, a mere two years after winning a championship.
And we will.
 

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I think they'll be 0-4 going into the Arkansas game. Given the condition of the Razorbacks, the Plainsmen might get lucky and beat them. Then again, they might not and be 0-5 going into "winnable" games against Ole Miss and Vanderbilt. I put winnable in quotations because Ole Miss looks a lot better under Freeze, and they beat a UTEP team that gave Oklahoma everything they could handle pretty handily. The last couple of seasons, Ole Miss loses that game. I think Auburn loses to Ole Miss this year and they might not be able to get a win at Vanderbilt.

Their offense is anemic and their defense is a sieve. Could their only wins come at the expense of New Mexico State and Alabama A&M?
 

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I'm probably repeating something that's already been posted in this long thread, but some of their fans are finally realizing that their top ten recruiting classes don't mean much when they've lost 13 from the class two years ago. If you can't get them on the field and develop them, they don't count...
 

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I'm probably repeating something that's already been posted in this long thread, but some of their fans are finally realizing that their top ten recruiting classes don't mean much when they've lost 13 from the class two years ago. If you can't get them on the field and develop them, they don't count...
It seems to me that their recruiting issues are threefold:

1. They recruit based on star ratings alone, with little consideration of character or even filling needs on their team.

2. They lose a large number of recruits to attrition (academics, legal issues, etc.)

3. They aren't doing a good job of coaching fundamentals on the guys that they do get on campus.


Add it all together and it spells disaster.
 

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It seems to me that their recruiting issues are threefold:

1. They recruit based on star ratings alone, with little consideration of character or even filling needs on their team.

2. They lose a large number of recruits to attrition (academics, legal issues, etc.)

3. They aren't doing a good job of coaching fundamentals on the guys that they do get on campus.


Add it all together and it spells disaster.
Pretty good summation. The Pike kid, who has obvious character and other personal issues was to be the latest in a line of "saviors" at QB, and he ends up playing TE for Louisville, for goodness sake. The only hit they've had there was Cam and we know what they swallowed to land him...
 

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It seems to me that their recruiting issues are threefold:

1. They recruit based on star ratings alone, with little consideration of character or even filling needs on their team.

2. They lose a large number of recruits to attrition (academics, legal issues, etc.)

3. They aren't doing a good job of coaching fundamentals on the guys that they do get on campus.


Add it all together and it spells disaster.
Spot on, imho, and I'd add strength and conditioning to that list...barn looks woefully soft all over but particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

Only bright spot they have anywhere is special teams which always seems consistent.

An example of talent evals might point to Arky's backup qb Allen who despite the loss, came cold off the bench & played pretty well leading Arky to a couple of scores. Frazier was out of the same class as Allen but hasn't looked remotely like an SEC caliber qb with tons more playing time and an off-season of preparing to be the #1 guy.
 

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TeHEHEHE The ESPN guys just said awburn's defense is a MESS!!! Funny, Funny Stuff!! I encourage any one who wants a laugh to watch the barn replay!!! LOLOLOL
It will be on at 1:00 pm EST (12:00 pm CST) on ESPNU. I missed it yesterday, but I'm looking forward to watching.
 

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It seems to me that their recruiting issues are threefold:

1. They recruit based on star ratings alone, with little consideration of character or even filling needs on their team.

2. They lose a large number of recruits to attrition (academics, legal issues, etc.)

3. They aren't doing a good job of coaching fundamentals on the guys that they do get on campus.


Add it all together and it spells disaster.
I agree with all that, but I think there's a bigger issue. Chizik clearly has no central philosophy on how he believes you win football games. It's not that he has a bad or ineffective philosophy. He doesn't have one at all.

Case in point: He hires Gus Malzhan (sp?), who very clearly does have a philosophy. You might agree with it or you might not. But you know how Gus Malzhan believes you win football games. He spends three years recruiting players with skill sets specifically suited to that offense. Because of the specific attributes needed at the QB and OL positions to run that offense, this is especially true at those positions. And so long as you run it, you're OK.

But then he decides that that's not the way to go, fires Malzhan, and heads in a whole different direction, essentially copying Nick Saban's approach. Trouble is, the power-based pro set requires an entirely separate skill set from the QBs and OL. So you have a nasty transition period that you can only recruit your way out of over time.

Right now, they have absolutely the wrong personnel to run what they're trying to run.

So which is it, Gene? Do you believe in power? If so, why did you hire Malzhan and build multiple recruiting classes around his way of doing things? Or do you believe in the spread? If so, why did you hire Loeffler to run something your current roster is unsuited for?

Compound that with not developing players, losing stars to character issues, and not being effective in the fundamentals, and you get an 18-point loss to Mississippi State, complete with one offensive touchdown in two games against defenses that aren't exactly stellar.

For those of us in the OFC, you may remember when Bill Curry tried to run power with Rip Scherer, then lucked into maybe the best offensive mind in college football in Homer Smith to run a finesse-based passing game, then at Kentucky hired Elliott Uzekak (sp?) to run the triple option. For heaven's sake, he even tried to turn Tim Couch into an option QB.

And none of this touches on the effects a soft offense has on the defense.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....the more I see of Gene Chizik, the more I'm reminded of Bill Curry.
 
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Pretty good summation. The Pike kid, who has obvious character and other personal issues was to be the latest in a line of "saviors" at QB, and he ends up playing TE for Louisville, for goodness sake. The only hit they've had there was Cam and we know what they swallowed to land him...
Even the barners know it. This quote from one of ITAT's resident buffoons sums up the Pike situation.

I can tell you this, I've had a coach tell me that they were not happy with what they saw from Pike. And I don't mean just his off the field crap.
I responded with a "what, is he green" remark, and it was met with a "no, he just isn't a very good QB. We missed with this one" remark.
So, we offer a QB and really just based it off his rankings since we were suprised at how mediocre he was. Guess what, Louisville saw it right away and moved him to TE.
 

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Even the barners know it. This quote from one of ITAT's resident buffoons sums up the Pike situation.

I can tell you this, I've had a coach tell me that they were not happy with what they saw from Pike. And I don't mean just his off the field crap.
I responded with a "what, is he green" remark, and it was met with a "no, he just isn't a very good QB. We missed with this one" remark.
So, we offer a QB and really just based it off his rankings since we were suprised at how mediocre he was. Guess what, Louisville saw it right away and moved him to TE.
Luginbill of ESPN had Pike rated as a 3* and was mystified by the other services who had him rated much higher. The Barn not doing their homework on this kid and a lot of others.
 

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Luginbill of ESPN had Pike rated as a 3* and was mystified by the other services who had him rated much higher. The Barn not doing their homework on this kid and a lot of others.
That's just lazy recruiting. Same thing with all the other schools offering anyone Saban offers. Meyer admitted it...
 
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