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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    As an Alabama fan, I'd say keep him forever!

    If I were on the Auburn board, he'd be gone by now in order to get a head start on hiring the next coach.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    I think everyone pretty much knows the deal which Chizic. When he has finally been called upon to be the man like AJ, he has laid an egg.

    Remember the head scratching when he was hired? The laughter from Bama fans. Nothing has changed, he is a weak character as a head coach with very average football intelligence. He is a manager not a coach. I am not sure why they hired him unless they just wanted someone naive.

    It is funny looking back how some (me) felt after they duplicated our 2009 season, like we were being mocked. But we came back and did it again, and Auburn crumbled.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    I say keep him until hedoublehockeysticks freezes over. The barners said he was better than Saban when it only took him 2 years to win a BCS title. He is the man to lead them out of the wilderness that tubs created and he has had to deal with. He recruits players with great character who are highly rated and just need time since they are still young. He cares about his players and is not a meanie like that coach in Tuscaloosa. Trooper is a fine example of a backward hat towel waving upright coach who would never even consider dealing with street agents like he has been accused of. He lives and breathes the aubie creed and realizes that aubie is a special place to park their trailers. Once he gets all his recruits in there watch out.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    If on the BOT, fire him. However, I hope they keep him. He's not good enough without Cam and Malzahn.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Looks like he is gone...twitter is about to explode. clay Travis tweeted that auburn247 has reported he is gone. I am sure a new thread will be made soon about it.
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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by GP for Bama View Post
    Auburn has a predicament.
    Under Chizik they are: 2009---8-5---Bowl winner
    2010--14-0--National Champ
    2011---8-5---Bowl winner
    2012---3-9---probable final record.
    How can you fire a coach with 2 pretty good years, one great year and then one really bad year?
    Also, How can you convince any good coach to come when they can see there is NO job security if you have even one bad year?
    That is why they will go for the best desperate coach out there....Petrino.
    If they don't land him they will throw gobs of money at an unproven "up and coming" coach.
    Because they were delusional before they won the BCSCG, now they think they're the big brother in the state because of one year with a pro quarterback.
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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    As a Bama fan, I'm hoping they keep him, but if they can get Shawn Watson, then Cheesy needs to go.

    Actually, they aren't that far away from having a decent year. They really weren't blown out until the Texas A&M game and were in all the others in the fourth quarter. suppose they hang on to beat Clemson and find a way to beat LSU. Maybe that gives them confidence and they win a couple of the others. What if that Ole Miss runner goes down instead of staying on his feet?

    I wouldn't be totally shocked if they gave him one more chance.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Here's my thinking on it: no head coach worth his salt is going to want to touch this job with a 12-foot pole. For that matter, no successful head coach with any sort of job security is going to want to touch this job with even a 10-foot pole.


    That leaves the barn with two realistic options:
    - Hire as much of a "big" name coach as you can as quickly as possible, throwing the bank at them if you have two, or
    - Hire a very unknown assistant coach or lower-level coordinator or head coach, trying to find a veritable diamond in the rough.

    The only "big" names that could likely be enticed into taking the job would all have massive baggage of the moral, ethical, and/or NCAA-bad-list variety. Petrino? He has some major reputation problems - outside of his football prowess, of course - that could hinder his recruiting efforts. Tressel? Major, major NCAA issues there and, with the Barn's recent history, hiring him could be an open invitation for the NCAA to set up a satellite office right on the barn's campus. Who else?

    As for hiring a well-known, up-and-coming coordinator or assistant coach - why would they take that job if they had any real prospects of getting any other quasi-high-profile job in the near future?

    Like it or not - and regardless of whether it's true or not - the national perception is that the Barn quite literally bought their 2010 National Championship, and got lucky in more than a couple games to do it. With that one stellar season sandwiched by mediocrity, the national perception is that the Barn cannot be an elite-level team without cheating. And, last but not least, the national perception is about to become - if it hasn't already - that both the fans and the administration at the Barn have very unrealistic expectations and an itchy trigger finger.

    If someone comes in with any sort of reputation problem, everyone that recruits against them will have an almost limitless stockpile of ammunition to use against them regarding the possibility of NCAA sanctions. Combine the recent, large number of incidents involving Barn players getting in trouble with the law with the article just released about the Barn hiring a security company to keep their players in line and any sensible parent could easily be given plenty to worry about regarding their child's safety if they chose to attend school there.

    Having both a BCS Title and a Heisman Trophy winner in the past three or four years should be a great recruiting tool. At this point, though, no one is going to be able to sit there with a straight face if and when a Barn recruiter sits in their living room telling them that they'll be playing for a Championship - of any sort - within the next couple of years. Over the past four years, the Barn's recruiting tactics have changed to accommodate two completely different styles of play on offense. No matter what offense any new coach wants to run, they won't have a roster-full of players that can run it. With all the attrition that's gone on down there at the plains, they'll be lucky to have a third of a roster than can run it. Plus, with all of the positions that look to be open this off-season, the Barn will have a lot of competition for pretty much any coach they want to hire. And it's a competition at which they'll usually be at a disadvantage, even being in the SEC - or especially being in the SEC, depending upon how you look at it.

    This is, quite simply, a no-win situation for the boogs. However, I think they've made the wrong choice if they are indeed firing Chizik. They've crashed and burned over the past two seasons like no team has ever crashed and burned before. And they're greedy, so they're firing Chizik to try to bring in a coach to turn things around and get results next year and/or in 2014.

    What they should have done is to sacrifice next season, and maybe the one after that, while mandating that the Barn focus mostly on defense in recruiting and running as much of a ball-control offense as possible. They certainly wouldn't be competing for a shot at going to Atlanta during those two years but, hey, there's not much of a chance of that happening no matter who they bring in. What it would do is make the Barn more competitive overall - still losing a lot of games but losing close games when they do. And, given how bad this season was, there's no way to go but up - even for Chizik. Then, even during next season, they could start looking for the absolute best, most fitting, "big" name coach they can find and take their time in both the search for and the courtship of that coach. At that point, farther away from the BCS Title and the Cam scandal, the Barn's suddenly soiled reputation would have had some time to recover. They would also be able to sell an "improving" team to the new coach. Even though they may have only gotten 5 or 6 wins next season and 7 or 8 wins the season after that, that would still be visible, empirical improvement. Instead of having to sell a coach on resurrecting a pile of wreckage from the sea floor right now, they could be selling a coach on taking an already climbing team back to the mountain-top. If they were able to do that and bring in a top-flight coach for 2015, they could conceivably get a 10 win season in 2015 or 2016.




    By firing Chizik, now, they will be painting themselves into a corner where their ceiling is going to be 8 or 9 wins for the next 5 or 6 years, at least.

    They're making a big mistake. For some odd reason, though, I can't say that I'm sorry they're making it.
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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    ^^^ This. I absolutely agree. As a Bama fan, I look forward to watching them flounder for another year before they make a hire, but as uafan explains, it really is their only safe decision. The perception of cheating may be less of an issue for many coaches, but the unrealistic expectations will destroy their ability to get a great coach unless they pony up an even bigger severance package than what Chizik has. They're going to bet the farm (almost literally) on a questionable hire at a questionable time. Petrino is a good schemer (in more ways than one) but I can't imagine any parents feeling comfortable sending their children to AU with him at the reins. Even with him, or another solid coach...no matter who inherits this team... they're not going to win more than 6-7 games for the next 2 years. Might as well save some money, earn some respect for "sticking with" Chizik and go for broke when most of the upper-level programs are staying put with their coaches. That said, the idea of another year of Chizik at the Barn would be SO MUCH FUN!

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Personally I like him being there. He's never won without Cam who was just a freak of a ball player. I could have coached them to the NC. Professionally speaking, he would have gotten fired after last season.
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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Oh, Susanna. Oh, don't you cry for me, for I come from Alabama with a banjeaux on my knee. G'wan to Louisiana my true love for to see.

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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    JMHO, but if it were my call to make that decision for the U. of Auburn, I would, to save some money, dump Jacobs, move Chizik to AD, letting his buyout reduce some more. Hire the best up and coming successful coach from a smaller conference, for instance Mark Hudspeth, HC of U. of La La. It moves Chizik out of hands on coaching the team, Jacobs is out of commission and pleases the unwashed masses and saves some money along the way. Hud will succeed wherever he goes, I think.

    As a Bama fan: keep him.
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    Re: If it were up to you, would you have the Barn fire Chizik or keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1FitToBeTide View Post
    JMHO, but if it were my call to make that decision for the U. of Auburn, I would, to save some money, dump Jacobs, move Chizik to AD, letting his buyout reduce some more. Hire the best up and coming successful coach from a smaller conference, for instance Mark Hudspeth, HC of U. of La La. It moves Chizik out of hands on coaching the team, Jacobs is out of commission and pleases the unwashed masses and saves some money along the way. Hud will succeed wherever he goes, I think.
    That sounds like a pretty good plan. However, let's look at it from Hudspeth's perspective.

    First, he's already coached - as an assistant - in the SEC at Mississippi State. He runs an offensive system that isn't at all that different from what Mullen runs at Mississippi State. So, he knows first hand how difficult it is to run that type of offense in the SEC. He is an offensive guy, though, so his ego may make him think that he can do it better. But he would also know that the Barn just abandoned a spread-type system in order to move to more of a power football system, after having more and more limited success with the spread system. As a result, the locals - fans and/or admin - may pressure him to run a different system than what he would prefer. In addition, the last couple of recruiting classes have been full of guys not suited to run his system.

    Tack on the stuff I said previously regarding the current perception of the Barn and their unrealistic expectations and it's not an automatic that Hudspeth would take the job, even though it's a decently sized "name" school in the SEC and Hudspeth has only 5 or 6 years, I think, of D1 football experience.

    If I were Hudspeth, and the Barn came calling, I would do a couple of interviews and use the opportunity to get my name out there as someone that major schools are interested in. Then, I turn them down. I coach another year where I'm at which, hopefully, will be another good season and my stock will climb even more - especially after having been courted by an SEC school. At that point I'll probably have my pick of two or three jobs at major D1 schools whose football teams are in much better shape than the Barn's right now.

    Sure, he could take the job at the Barn, being the first big job that comes along. Of course, he should realize that if he does that and tanks then it could severely hurt his career choices down the road. Waiting a year and taking a better job, though it might mean less money in the short term, would most likely be the better career choice overall.
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