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    Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    I haven't seen this mentioned in detail yet, so I thought I would give it a shot.

    What I saw yesterday were two football games within the same 60 minutes, as I'm sure many others did as well, so I thought I'd take to the stats to see exactly how Manziel performed on the stat sheet in each of these two hypothetical games.

    First Quarter:
    5 rushes for 74 yards
    10-11 passing for 86 yards

    Quarters 2-4:
    13 rushes for 18 yards
    14-20 passing for 167 yards

    I'm a believer that stats don't tell the whole story, but here, I think they come pretty close. What I saw in the first quarter was that we simply did not execute our contains on Manziel across the board well enough. Not to take anything away from Manziel's stellar performance, but he's a running quarterback, not a quarterback who runs, to me, and 13 rushes for 18 yards over three quarters is extremely unsuccessful in my mind.

    He threw some phenomenal passes as well, which surprised me more than his running performance, but to improve a player's yards per completion by 3.3 yards, while still maintaining a 70% completion percentage and only scoring 9 points (12 if you count the FG Manziel had nothing to do with missing) really shows me that we had the ability to stop and contain him, but it just took us too long to get in a rhythm.

    Always tough to dig yourselves out of a hole 20 points deep, but it's really too bad we couldn't, because our defense showed me more in those last 3 quarters than they have in any game all year. Just my 2 cents.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Totally agree. And I actually think we executed our containment in Q1 fairly well; but we did not wrap up when we had him (and others). You can't 90% defend a play. You have to finish. This has been a problem for the past two weeks now.

    You could see Manziel's frustration as he left the field time and again in quarters 2-4. We just dug too deep of a hole to start the game and our decision to move away from our identity on offense (pass vs run) did us in.
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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Kept telling myself that yesterday was going to be a repeat of the Florida and LSU games. It was, but those two didn't give up 20 points in the first quarter.
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    Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    ...and ZERO turnovers in all four.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Quote Originally Posted by bamacon View Post
    ...and ZERO turnovers in all four.
    Amazing how a guy that carries the ball as loose as Manziel doesn't fumble more.
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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    Amazing how a guy that carries the ball as loose as Manziel doesn't fumble more.
    When you run and slide and get out of bounds you don't take the big hit.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Quote Originally Posted by bamacon View Post
    ...and ZERO turnovers in all four.
    Good point, he has an unbelievable knack for protecting the football as a mobile quarterback

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    The kid is a sandlot wimp. He was a big tough dude when he was shaking his hips and avoiding contact. Amazing to me how his sudden drop in stats coincided with him getting hit clean by our guys on back to back plays in the second quarter. I noticed that, too. Go back and look at the first couple of aTm possessions in the third quarter. He would stay behind the line desperately looking to throw the ball - he didn't want to get hit. Remember that pass the Aggie bobbled and held onto? He threw that and let the receiver get plowed rather than himself.

    Make no mistake: Texas A&M outplayed us and deserved to win the game. But impressive he was not after Smart figured him out. He's like a pitcher who throws five or six great games and then gets rocked the second time he faces a good team. We gave them a few first downs with poor tackling. But the great Johnny got all of 9 points after the first hit, and six of that was because we turned the ball over (Yeldon).

    I'm sorry but the kid is a wimp. He is not Tim Tebow or Cam Newton, who both got in and mixed it up and took big hits and then made plays. The moment that kid gets hit, he decides the game isn't fun. He's a flag football player wearing a uniform.

    Let me remind everyone that he didn't score every single drive, which means we stopped him. And he wasn't on the field when McCarron threw the last pick or the offsides jump on the non- punt.

    He looked great - until he got hit.
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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Selma, he is a redshirt freshman and has just run the vaunted SEC West gauntlet. About time Alabama starts looking for a Johnny Football or RGIII so the Tide can run the table. Statue QB's are a liability these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    He looked great - until he got hit.
    Which the same can be said of all QBs that have ever played a game.

    Bottom line a RS Fr. QB cam to Bryant-Denny, put up more rushing yards vs Tide D than most RBs (Aggie OL played great), threw for 230+, and had zero TOs.

    You should listen to the comments of Saban and the Tide defensive players an follow suit.

    It's just one game, Bama will still likely win the SEC, but the reason Bama will not play for an NC is this supposed wimpy kid Bama defense could not stop consistently when they needed to.

    Not to mention the fact the A&M outplayed the Bama D in Tuscalosa.....
    Last edited by TIDE-HSV; November 12th, 2012 at 09:44 AM.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Quote Originally Posted by TideLegacy View Post
    Which the same can be said of all QBs that have ever played a game.

    Bottom line a RS Fr. QB cam to Bryant-Denny, put up more rushing yards vs Tide D than most RBs (Aggie OL played great), threw for 230+, and had zero TOs.

    You should listen to the comments of Saban and the Tide defensive players an follow suit.

    It's just one game, Bama will still likely win the SEC, but the reason Bama will not play for an NC is this supposed wimpy kid Bama defense could not stop consistently when they needed to.

    Not to mention the fact the A&M outplayed the Bama D in Tuscalosa.....
    I see Selma's points, and fall between those and your post
    Last edited by TIDE-HSV; November 12th, 2012 at 09:45 AM.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    I see no reason or evidence to disparage the kid or his performance. He played as good a game at QB as we've seen in the Saban era.

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    Re: Manziel Statistical Split: 1st Quarter Compared to the Last 3 Quarters

    Quote Originally Posted by TideLegacy View Post
    (Aggie OL played great)
    Their OL made more tackles than Bama's defense.
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