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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide&True View Post
    I really hate watching teams that no huddle and look like a Chinese fire drill. If I wanted to watch a track meet I'd watch a different sport.
    It is what it is. We can't play football games "on our terms." Let's face it...the game has changed.

    The good news is the great coaches change with it and CNS will figure this out.

    Quote Originally Posted by braggtd View Post
    Part of the problem is the offense. Granted our D is not as good as last years group the offense has to get a faster start. Bama's MO is playing from ahead. When the D plays from ahead they have much more swagger and can start throwing out some exotic packages. When the offense can't score at a single point until they are down 20 - 0 that is a problem. Not sure why this team came out so heavy and flat. Reminded me 100% of the Utah game of 09. Just wasn't ready to bring it at kick off. These slow starts are a real killer. I think the D is fine. Just need the offense to start scoring some points early and stop turning the ball over.
    I believe you nail it! This is more of an offensive issue that defensive issue. Granted the defense has struggled the last couple of games, but if our offense is scoring 40 a game as they did through the first 8 games we aren't having this discussion (at least a discussion about why we lost).

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAtlanta View Post
    Yeah I really don't think that fits with the culture of the game. I don't know how to fix it, but I'd like to see some order restored to the game.
    As I said above, we can't change the game to fit our scheme. That's what makes football so interesting. New schemes and subsequent adjustments.

    Unless CNS wants to go to the lake and do nothing, he will figure out a way to adjust to the HUNH.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAtlanta View Post
    To be fair, the defense did only allow 29 points - that's not really a lot when you consider that Alabama's offense had 3 turnovers and couldn't keep the defense off the field.

    After the 1st qtr, TAMU only scored 9 points. The defense did give up a lot of yards, but it did tighten up a good bit after then 1st qtr onslaught.

    This wasn't like the 2008 UGA blackout game either. Alabama was within 6 at halftime so TAMU definitely didn't ease up.
    And when was the last time that 24 points by the offense wasn't enough for a Bama defense??? Totally agree that our defense did a really good job for 3 quarters. That fourth one (Q1) killed us, though.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    As I said above, we can't change the game to fit our scheme. That's what makes football so interesting. New schemes and subsequent adjustments.
    Rules change and loopholes are closed all the time.

    This has nothing to do with giving Alabama an advantage. The exploitation of the current loopholes just don't fit with the culture of the game. Even the NBA realized that too much scoring was a bad thing as it turned off viewers, so they changed the rules.

    Even baseball has made rule changes (mostly mound height) when the offense or defense gets too much of an advantage.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAtlanta View Post
    Rules change and loopholes are closed all the time.

    This has nothing to do with giving Alabama an advantage. The exploitation of the current loopholes just don't fit with the culture of the game. Even the NBA realized that too much scoring was a bad thing as it turned off viewers, so they changed the rules.

    Even baseball has made rule changes (mostly mound height) when the offense or defense gets too much of an advantage.
    I understand and know you weren't suggesting preferential treatment for Bama. As we know there is a rule in place that allows for substitutions if the O substitutes. Should this change to allow time for subs after every play even when the O doesn't??? That is above my pay grade but I'd bet CNS would vote for it and I bet Sumlin and Kelly would vote against it.

    I personally will look forward to how CNS will defend the HUNH in the future irregardless of any rule changes.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I understand and know you weren't suggesting preferential treatment for Bama. As we know there is a rule in place that allows for substitutions if the O substitutes. Should this change to allow time for subs after every play even when the O doesn't??? That is above my pay grade but I'd bet CNS would vote for it and I bet Sumlin and Kelly would vote against it.
    I don't have as much of a problem with the substitutions as I do with the amount of freedom the offensive players have while at the line of scrimmage. They are allowed way too much movement and it's not good for the game in the long term.

    I don't know how to fix it, but the current loopholes need to be closed. Maybe the offensive line can only set once and cannot reset? I thought that was the rule, but whatever it is that allows the offensive line to line up and then stand back up to get the blocking calls from the bench needs to be addressed.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by trenda View Post
    And when was the last time that 24 points by the offense wasn't enough for a Bama defense??? Totally agree that our defense did a really good job for 3 quarters. That fourth one (Q1) killed us, though.
    Plus this is Alabama, and fair or not we hold our defense to a higher standard.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAtlanta View Post
    I don't have as much of a problem with the substitutions as I do with the amount of freedom the offensive players have while at the line of scrimmage. They are allowed way too much movement and it's not good for the game in the long term.

    I don't know how to fix it, but the current loopholes need to be closed. Maybe the offensive line can only set once and cannot reset? I thought that was the rule, but whatever it is that allows the offensive line to line up and then stand back up to get the blocking calls from the bench needs to be addressed.
    Man, that offensive line thing has always bothered me. I was a lineman in high school and when you were set you couldn't move. Now they come up, get set, then stand up to see the sideline call, then get set again. I agree they should stop that.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    I think Coach has a new project to work on. We are a battleship when it comes to playing the no huddle teams, that react like little destroyers. We have 2 games left that mean alot. Alot more than people know. How will the guys react.

    I am very proud of this team and cant believe how hard they have played all season. Roll Tide!!!
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson_Knight View Post
    I think Coach has a new project to work on. We are a battleship when it comes to playing the no huddle teams, that react like little destroyers. We have 2 games left that mean alot. Alot more than people know. How will the guys react.

    I am very proud of this team and cant believe how hard they have played all season. Roll Tide!!!
    In the back of my mind I wonder if we've peaked under the present system. We have played our worst 2 game stretch dating back a pretty good ways. Probably get drilled for the thought, but we've have been riding high for an extended period. If AJ leaves, it could be a rebuilding job

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    Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Thing to remember : Oregon snaps the ball every 13 seconds. That is a way to tire the defense.
    The only thing I can think of is have 2 defenses that alternate with the opponents offensive series.


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    Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ldlane View Post
    Thing to remember : Oregon snaps the ball every 13 seconds. That is a way to tire the defense.
    The only thing I can think of is have 2 defenses that alternate with the opponents offensive series.


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    Hmmm, that's interesting. Two units that rotate. Or have two DL line ups, two LB line ups, etc.
    RTR!

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ldlane View Post
    Thing to remember : Oregon snaps the ball every 13 seconds. That is a way to tire the defense.
    The only thing I can think of is have 2 defenses that alternate with the opponents offensive series.


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    CNS doesn't platoon, but it's close to it, particularly with the LBs, DBs, and, to some degree, the DL. His defense is much more complex than almost any other and he has a personnel package - with separate training - for each offensive situation. It's no wonder that he hates the HUNH offenses. It interferes big time with his basic defensive philosophy. When we make substitutions on defense, it's a hurried matter, with the offense in their set, ready to go, and with the refs holding them back while we get set. I noticed last night, that we were almost always still giving hand signals and trying to get into position when the snap occurred. It may mean that CNS will have to simplify his defensive sets and I know that's anathema to him. It may also mean that we recruit different body types, as several other posters have stated...
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    Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    CNS doesn't platoon, but it's close to it, particularly with the LBs, DBs, and, to some degree, the DL. His defense is much more complex than almost any other and he has a personnel package - with separate training - for each offensive situation. It's no wonder that he hates the HUNH offenses. It interferes big time with his basic defensive philosophy. When we make substitutions on defense, it's a hurried matter, with the offense in their set, ready to go, and with the refs holding them back while we get set. I noticed last night, that we were almost always still giving hand signals and trying to get into position when the snap occurred. It may mean that CNS will have to simplify his defensive sets and I know that's anathema to him. It may also mean that we recruit different body types, as several other posters have stated...
    That's what I noticed. It is hard for defensive players to get into the flow of the game. I noticed that we've had trouble getting up to game speed early in most of our games against these types of offenses.


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