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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I've never seen Murray play better than Mettenberger did last Saturday...
    I've also never seen Mettenberger play like that. I was never impressed with Zack.
    Last Sat. Zack played like Stephen Garcia in his one and only great college game.
    Against us no less...
    Aaron Murray is a good QB, but not a great QB. I would have rated him ahead of Mettenberger before LSU played us.
    NOW...

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Its like basketball. We must learn to sub our players on defense in a similar manner. Our must be able to play man to man all the time. Tamu is good at passing and defending the pass but very average at running and stopping the run because that is what they practice all the time. We simply played into their strength last night. If we just run more on first down between the tackles we win the game .

    Tamu and oregon basically run like 10 plays over and over again during the game at very high tempo while you trying to figure out what is going on.

    We don't need to be like them to win. Texas tech a few years back ran a very similar attack against us and we held them to 3 points. You have to keep the ball away from them - by running the football.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    CNS doesn't platoon, but it's close to it, particularly with the LBs, DBs, and, to some degree, the DL. His defense is much more complex than almost any other and he has a personnel package - with separate training - for each offensive situation. It's no wonder that he hates the HUNH offenses. It interferes big time with his basic defensive philosophy. When we make substitutions on defense, it's a hurried matter, with the offense in their set, ready to go, and with the refs holding them back while we get set. I noticed last night, that we were almost always still giving hand signals and trying to get into position when the snap occurred. It may mean that CNS will have to simplify his defensive sets and I know that's anathema to him. It may also mean that we recruit different body types, as several other posters have stated...
    Sounds like you agree with me more today Earle

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    I don't think it hurt, because we did each sub in response to an offensive substitution of theirs - and we took our own sweet time in doing it. That's our right under the rules and we slowed the game down measurably in doing it...

    We were out of position at the snap several times last night and had to burn a TO once. Not to mention guys narrowly getting off he field in time and the fatigue from the 30 yd repetitive sprints getting on and off. I don't think we will see any significant change from CNS but as you said, it's why he hates the hurry up spread offenses.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    I believe the defense is feeling the sting of losing all those underclassman now.
    We had more players leave a year early than all the other years put together pre CNS.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Slow the game down, run at, over and around their smaller defenses until they break. Mix in enough passing to be efficient at it, not great, but efficient. It's nothing more than getting them to play a style of football they don't want to. Much like they do to others.

    I think Saturday our problems were fatigue from previous week's emotional and physical game. Our players not executing on plays that were there to be made. Also, our staff not recognizing and being patient with what was working. When you average over 4 yards a rush you keep doing it. It quickly becomes 6 and 7 yards a rush.

    There's no need to over haul anything. Again, much like a boxing match and the two fighters trying to get their opponent to fight their style fight. We (for a second straight week) tried to fight our opponent's style fight. Even though there was evidence throughout the game that we had opportunities to change the flow of the game. I'm sorry, when "you're" averaging 6.6 yards per carry (LSU game rushing average) and then over 4 yards per carry (aTm game) in a game. You ride that mule 'til it drops dead. aTm's defense was beginning to break. Danielson even mentioned it. But we got caught up in the bottle rocket show and joined in.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    That was a sub-500 team that blew every game due to coaching. They have a solid qb. An excellent head coach. A great OC and DC. Give them some credit, for Pete's sake. We didn't lose to Kentucky. That team that we played yesterday might have beaten all but the top four or five teams in America.
    Agree. A&M just doesn't have a solid QB, they have a potential Heisman winner. If they don't have Johnny Football, I doubt they win this game even running an up tempo Offense. This kid is not only a running threat but a very accurate passer. Bama has it's problems with QB's like this, aka Cam Newton circa 2010.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

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    I'll bite, but you and just about everyone on here will not like my opinion, that's okay.

    The kind of offense we saw yesterday is the future of college football. It is being taught and run at high schools across the country and that's what kids want to be a part of.
    It is designed to create confusion, personnel mismatches, and getting playmakers in space. It requires speed over bulk.
    To defense it you have to have similar type players more speed less bulk.
    I have seen over the past several years the lack of overall team speed in our defense.

    Now for Alabama. We have had the benefit of a weak schedule, the only 2 teams we have played with any semblance of an offense has been LSU and TAMU. We should win out because WCU and au are terrible, but right now I don't think we beat UGA. My reason for picking UGA is that Alabama now knows they can be beaten and when doubt sets in anything can happen. I hope I am wrong and we win the SECC, but his team is not nearly as good as the 2011 team. Now to don my flak jacket.
    I hope you have several flack jackets. Maybe you should get Pat Dye to get on the radio again and tell the Georgia players they arent man enough to beat Bama. By the way that was the last time UGA beat us.

    I just dont see Richt beating Saban. If you need more flack jackets just call the president I am sure he has some hidden away.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ldlane View Post
    As an aside, I expect UGA to approach the SEC Championship Game in this fashion.
    Agreed. Bama's defense has been exposed to this type approach, look for UGA to use it against us. Murray not as good as Johnny football but still good and very capable of making big plays in big games.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by RollBamaRoll90 View Post
    Agreed. Bama's defense has been exposed to this type approach, look for UGA to use it against us. Murray not as good as Johnny football but still good and very capable of making big plays in big games.
    It's the faster pace of the offense. Not necessarily a specific type of offense. LSU ran a pro style offense and simply picked up the pace and went to higher percentage passes mixed with a balance of running and had success.
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    For anyone who has kept up with it, are we containing better with the 3-4 or the nickle? I was surprised when I learned that Mosely in addition to Sunseri are not in our starting 3-4 defense. Sunseri is just too big to play a DB the entire game, we found that out during the 1st game of the season. He was worn out at games end. But Mosely? He seems like the type of player we need on the field all the time.

    So we have 3 big down lineman that do an effective job in the middle, but lack an outside pass rusher for the 2nd season like a Javier Arenas. With the spread, they have gotten past our line fairly easily and we make the play 5 to 7 yards out, and if we miss a tackle it will be another 10 yard gain. You apply more pressure at the line, but the QB makes these last second throws and somehow completes them. At that point the WR's are probably just freelancing around. Not a very organized offense, but it leads to us being disorganized as well.

    Do you believe we would have these problems with the underclassman who left still here What a defense we would have . And the coaches can't necessarily predict a few years in advance who and how many will be leaving early, and this can create a development and leadership gap which I believe we have this year. Several times for example Sunseri makes a big play and his teammates didn't show enthusiasm towards him, they just went back to their positions. Next year the defense should be more consistent imo.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CapstoneTider View Post
    For anyone who has kept up with it, are we containing better with the 3-4 or the nickle? I was surprised when I learned that Mosely in addition to Sunseri are not in our starting 3-4 defense. Sunseri is just too big to play a DB the entire game, we found that out during the 1st game of the season. He was worn out at games end. But Mosely? He seems like the type of player we need on the field all the time.

    So we have 3 big down lineman that do an effective job in the middle, but lack an outside pass rusher for the 2nd season like a Javier Arenas. With the spread, they have gotten past our line fairly easily and we make the play 5 to 7 yards out, and if we miss a tackle it will be another 10 yard gain. You apply more pressure at the line, but the QB makes these last second throws and somehow completes them. At that point the WR's are probably just freelancing around. Not a very organized offense, but it leads to us being disorganized as well.

    Do you believe we would have these problems with the underclassman who left still here What a defense we would have . And the coaches can't necessarily predict a few years in advance who and how many will be leaving early, and this can create a development and leadership gap which I believe we have this year. Several times for example Sunseri makes a big play and his teammates didn't show enthusiasm towards him, they just went back to their positions. Next year the defense should be more consistent imo.
    This is true and it's doubly hard with the 85 limit. I'm really concerned about next year's defense. We may have our first genuine "rebuilding" year in several years on both sides of the ball, depending on who leaves...
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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

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    This is true and it's doubly hard with the 85 limit. I'm really concerned about next year's defense. We may have our first genuine "rebuilding" year in several years on both sides of the ball, depending on who leaves...
    I think next year is definitely a 8-4 sort of year unless some real bright spots emerge. Sort of like LSU 2008, but hopefully with more competency.

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    Re: Faster tempo offense question. Causing confusion?

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    When a .500 team last season from what is considered a weaker conference, with a new head coach, QB, and offense comes in your house and does this to you, it is time to think about things. The spread made even Ole Miss look good. It is just a new version of the option and makes the QB a threat. Why the best recruiting team in the nation can't come up with an excellent dual threat QB is beyond me. And knowing that Oregon was possibly on the horizon, it was time to play three CBs instead of three safeties.
    How's that working out for Baylor this year?
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