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    What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    I've seen calls that were not helmet to helmet (like HaHa's on Swope) that have been called a personal foul. And others where Eddie Lacy got speared in the head by a aTm player that wasn't not called. Eddie was injured and helped off the field. Swope jumped up and quasi-taunted. I understand the NCAA is trying to protect players more, but I find no consistency or definition of when this penalty should be called.
    I even thought the call of Trae Elston from Ole Miss was wrong. He was even suspended for a game. Someone please help me.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    I think it has to do with a player that is focused on where the ball is rather than the players around him (i.e. a WR looking up at the ball that is being thrown his way and doesn't see the LB that is about to blindside him, so he doesn't have a chance to prepare for the hit). I could be wrong about that though.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by glasscutter256 View Post
    I've seen calls that were not helmet to helmet (like HaHa's on Swope) that have been called a personal foul. And others where Eddie Lacy got speared in the head by a aTm player that wasn't not called. Eddie was injured and helped off the field. Swope jumped up and quasi-taunted. I understand the NCAA is trying to protect players more, but I find no consistency or definition of when this penalty should be called.
    I even thought the call of Trae Elston from Ole Miss was wrong. He was even suspended for a game. Someone please help me.
    You are talking about two different things here; A defenseless hit would be one where the player that was being hit was in a position to where he could not protect himself during the hit - the other plays you mentioned were considered helmet to helmet contact, or a player leading with his helmet in a a tackle.
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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Anyone on the field for Western Carolina this coming Saturday.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by Im_on_dsp View Post
    Anyone on the field for Western Carolina this coming Saturday.
    lol..I was going to say anyone on Auburn's defense

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTideMang View Post
    I think it has to do with a player that is focused on where the ball is rather than the players around him (i.e. a WR looking up at the ball that is being thrown his way and doesn't see the LB that is about to blindside him, so he doesn't have a chance to prepare for the hit). I could be wrong about that though.

    Edit: Here's something that may help after a quick google search. Click
    Thanks RTM. Even in that article, they define it as including helmet to helmet. Do you think Eddie Lacy's injury should have been called a personal foul? Plus, that article also is pertaining to the NFL. Not sure if the NCAA definition is different. It will be similar at least.
    I just think this is a bad rule. I think it is so subjective, that each official's definition is different. There is very little objectivity to it. Here is the definition. "The rule protects defenseless players from a helmet-to-helmet hit, from being “stuffed” by an attacking player lowering his head, and from launching-type hits from an opponent." That means that safeties can no longer time their hit at the same time as receivers catch the ball. Safeties have to wait for the ball to be caught, land on their feet, and become a runner before the defense can try to tackle them. Might as well be playing flag football!

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    No way to call this precisely. Need to get rid of it. This is football for gosh sake.
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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by theballguy View Post
    No way to call this precisely. Need to get rid of it. This is football for gosh sake.
    Yes! Exactly!

    More concussions. More injuries. More brains turning to mush.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    It seems, from my observations, that it all depends on how "bad" the hit looks. On the play Saturday that resulted in a penalty, the flag was thrown by the back judge on the Bama sideline. He ran some thirty-five yards across the field to throw his flag. Heck, I actually thought the flag was going to be for unsportsmanlike conduct for when he jumped up and jestured to the crowd. Keep in mind that none of the other refs in the immediate area, there were at least three, threw their flags.

    I think this is a bad rule because it's far too difficult to determine intent on a play like Saturday. No way I believe our player was trying to hit the guy in the head. From my seat it appeared he was being tackled from behind and was going down at the same time he was running right at our other defender. In order to not get the penalty, our second guy had to pull up and wait to see if the first guy made the tackle. What if he doesn't make the tackle and goes for a td?

    If this rule stays, it should be expanded to peel back blocks on kicks, interception returns, and the such. Those are just as damaging and the recipients are just as vulnerable maybe even moreso.
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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Yes! Exactly!

    More concussions. More injuries. More brains turning to mush.
    With this type of mentality, in 20 years football will not even remotely resemble the sport we have grew up to love and worship. We will turn a very tough rigorous sport into something it is not. The European soft mentality has invaded our once tough minded country and it will continue to change a game that doesn't need change.

    We keep allowing people who have never even played the sport makes the rules. It truly is sad.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    With this type of mentality, in 20 years football will not even remotely resemble the sport we have grew up to love and worship. We will turn a very tough rigorous sport into something it is not. The European soft mentality has invaded our once tough minded country and it will continue to change a game that doesn't need change.

    We keep allowing people who have never even played the sport makes the rules. It truly is sad.
    I know you played at UNA and coach high school football. However, how can you make those comments when the evidence points to needed changes? ESPN has run numerous stories about former players with long term injuries varying from leg problems all the way to brain issues.
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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    I know you played at UNA and coach high school football. However, how can you make those comments when the evidence points to needed changes? ESPN has run numerous stories about former players with long term injuries varying from leg problems all the way to brain issues.

    ESPN is biassssssssed.

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    Re: What is the definition of a defenseless player?

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    I know you played at UNA and coach high school football. However, how can you make those comments when the evidence points to needed changes? ESPN has run numerous stories about former players with long term injuries varying from leg problems all the way to brain issues.
    It is a tough game played by tough individuals.

    I'll say this once so let it sink in, Football is not for everyone!

    Of course there are going to be injuries/deaths/long term illnesses associated with football, that is the unfortunate part of the game. But you do not change the very foundation the game is founded upon to try to deter those 1 in 1,000,000 anomalies.

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