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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I'm sick of expansion. This last expansion has done us no good.
    If we do to 16 teams, IMHO, it will almost surely force us into a 9 or 10 game conference schedule.
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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBraz View Post
    If we do to 16 teams, IMHO, it will almost surely force us into a 9 or 10 game conference schedule.
    It's pretty much inevitable that we will go to a 9 game conference schedule...
    A 16 game schedule might open it up even further.
    On the plus side the expansion would probably eliminate games against teams like Western Carolina, and Alabama A&M.
    Forcing everyone into a little tougher schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I'm sick of expansion. This last expansion has done us no good.
    So long as everyone does it, it's a net push.

    What can't happen is the Big Ten and SEC go to 16 teams but the Big 12 and PAC-12 stay at 12. Very unfair advantage to them if it happens that way.
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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by Ldlane View Post
    Not all agreed, including FSU.
    2 voted against it, but that really doesn't matter since the majority voted for it. The measure passed and is binding to all member institutions. I just don't see anyone bolting casually from the ACC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JessN View Post
    So long as everyone does it, it's a net push.

    What can't happen is the Big Ten and SEC go to 16 teams but the Big 12 and PAC-12 stay at 12. Very unfair advantage to them if it happens that way.
    I disagree. Look at the SEC championship game. When it came in we thought that would be a huge disadvantage, but everyone has followed suit and it has changed the face of college football. 16 team conference may make for harder games, but if you're a recruit, where are you headed? Big boy football

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I'm sick of expansion. This last expansion has done us no good.
    Totally agree leave us alone or Bama go Independent in football.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by uafootball92 View Post
    I disagree. Look at the SEC championship game. When it came in we thought that would be a huge disadvantage, but everyone has followed suit and it has changed the face of college football. 16 team conference may make for harder games, but if you're a recruit, where are you headed? Big boy football
    The Key point is if everyone follows suit. Notre Dame and the Big 12 don't have to play in a Conference Championship game.

    I think that gives them an unfair advantage already.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    So they didn't want Missouri but would take Rutgers or Maryland? Doesn't make any sense.
    The Big 10 had their eyes on Notre Dame the entire time. They didn't get Notre Dame, so they stopped at 12. The Notre Dame to ACC deal was really in Notre Dame's favor, no way the Big 10 or SEC would have catered to them that much. In turn, Notre Dame has propped up the ACC.

    Remember, we heard some Maryland to SEC talk. It's purely a financial move, and if you consider the impact Texas A&M is having, you have to think there is some logic to adding teams for their market and not their prowess in football (although A&M seems to have both). Maryland clearly was thinking about leaving, and the Big 10 sees a way to move on from Notre Dame, without messing up the Big 10 powers that be. They might have also had a scare when Penn St. nearly has the death penalty, which would have resulted in a loss of their championship game. Maryland and Rutgers means more money, and less headache. However, if they had it to do over again I'm guessing they might have taken a harder look at Missouri.


    Quote Originally Posted by deliveryman35 View Post
    I think geographic balance and expanding our TV market footprint would almost have to mean that we take two schools from the states of North Carolina and/or Virginia eventually.
    It's going to be interesting to see how the ACC handles things. If Maryland does leave, it will show vulnerability within the ACC. The exit fee is massive, but FSU wanted out and most likely would have been out had the Big 12 not backed off (the Big 12 hates playing tough opponents).

    I said before I do not believe the SEC should or will expand until the new contracts are inked. There's no incentive to do that, so even if the Big 10 makes this move, and there is a shift in power (the Big 12 is going to be keeping an eye on things, they don't want 12 teams, but they have to appreciate their vulnerability). The SEC has a couple of cautionary tales from the latest round of expansion. One is the scheduling difficulties, which will only increase with an addition. The other is Texas A&M. A&M was a fantastic addition, but it was almost too good. A&M could become a beast in the West and that's especially bad for programs like Ole Miss, Auburn, and Arkansas, which generally need some breaks anyway. The Missouri addition showed the path the Big 10 is choosing, which is that they only solidified the teams at the top rather than unseating them. Georgia and Florida got another easy game on the schedule.

    So, I think the SEC should be very deliberate with their next move since it is likely their last. I've advocated for Virginia and North Carolina, largely because they (like the proposed Big 10 additions) would only help and not hurt. You move Vandy over to the West, and you haven't messed with things too much. But, that's 100 million in exit fees along with other things. It will take a lot for that to even be a possibility, so until then the SEC should get their new TV deal, and wait patiently.

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I'm sick of expansion. This last expansion has done us no good.
    Really? The Alabama vs. Texas A&M match-up was the second highest rated game of the season. It only trailed Alabama vs. LSU. For starters, I'm not inclined to be upset about Alabama being in the two top rated games this season, and secondly without A&M in the conference I'm guessing this wouldn't have happened.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    So they didn't want Missouri but would take Rutgers or Maryland? Doesn't make any sense.
    "Hah, the SEC adds the third best team in Texas. Big whoop!"

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by rhm54 View Post
    2 voted against it, but that really doesn't matter since the majority voted for it. The measure passed and is binding to all member institutions. I just don't see anyone bolting casually from the ACC.
    Maryland and FSU voted "No" on the measure. One is making a move, I don't see anything casual about it. If FSU get's an invite, they will bolt. Trust me! The reasons why they joined are no longer there for the ACC.
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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    FSU to the Big-XII is the supposed direction they would like to head...which makes more sense to me than adding them to the SEC at 16-teams. Keeping Texas out of the state of Florida seems like something to consider but Texas simply doesn't recruit out of their state very much. They sign the best in Texas and selectively recruit guys nationally (like a Dre Kirkpatrick, etc).

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    I'm sick of expansion. This last expansion has done us no good.
    Amen, brother.

    No new SEC teams who have any players named Manziel...

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    FSU to the Big-XII is the supposed direction they would like to head...which makes more sense to me than adding them to the SEC at 16-teams. Keeping Texas out of the state of Florida seems like something to consider but Texas simply doesn't recruit out of their state very much. They sign the best in Texas and selectively recruit guys nationally (like a Dre Kirkpatrick, etc).
    Fact is they can't go anywhere without an invitation.

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