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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    I think the SEC's ultimate goal at this point is a presence in the states of Virginia and North Carolina. Any flagship school (one school per state) will do nicely. But short term I expect the SEC to hold its cards close until the situation shakes out. Big Ten is looking like it'll be the wild card that brings the next round of chaos. Some folks think the Big Ten covets schools in the northeast. I don't. I think they digest Maryland and Rutgers, then pursue flagship institutions in the states of Virginia and North Carolina... The same states the SEC wants.

    Accordingly, we're likely to see a de facto Big Ten and SEC collaborative effort. Big Ten plays the heavy, going strong for UVA and UNC. FSU & Clemson panic and jump to the Big 12. With FSU and Clemson kicking loose the foundations of the ACC, UVA and UNC kiss their ACC sisters goodbye and marry the Big Ten... But (for in-state political purposes) only after having some level of confidence that VT and NCSU will be well-placed. Hello SEC.

    We can quibble over whether the SEC would be better off with UNC than NCSU... But in the end, the desired outcome is media footprint via flagship institutions.

    Litigation and changed conditions will mitigate the $50M buyout nonsense.

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    Official NEW Expansion Thread: Maryland reportedly going to B1G

    It's obvious the ACC and Big East are dead. Whether we like FSU, UNC, Ga Tech, Clemson, Duke, UVA, or Va Tech or not, we better get ready. The SEC will have to get a few of them eventually. They are there for the taking and all that is really available for the SEC.

    Radio host on Yahoo Sports Radio said the Big 10 schools will go from $20 million in revenue to $35 million after the DC and NJ tv markets. Talk about a nice little chunk of change.


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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by MN-Tide View Post
    I would think the season would end in mid-January. It wouldn't be a 64-team tournament. If each conference had a four-team tournament at the end of the regular season, that would only add one game to the season. Given that there is currently a 3-4 week gap between conference championship games and the BCS championship, that extra game can be added without pushing the season out any further. Having the 4 conference champions play in a tournament is basically just one way of choosing the 4-team playoff that we already have starting in two years.

    I'm not necessarily advocating for that format, but I think that is what they would attempt to do if they ever got four 16-team "super" conferences.
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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Now the word is (I read it on the internet, so it has to be true) that BYU, Boise State and San Diego State are trying to get back into the Mountain West Conference. Boise and SDSU were going to the Big East for football and I guess bYU has decided being a football independant isn't all its cracked up to be.

    Smart move on the parts of them if they do this. The Big East won't be BCS level in the new playoff format, so there is nothing to be gained there. Might as well stay in a league with regional and historical rivals as well as get into a decent league for your other sports. I think Boise was having trouble finding a home for its Olympic sports.

    The best team from the five "minor" FBS leagues gets an automatic spot in the new BCS, so staying put is a much better option.

    Yes, I know it won't be called BCS anymore, but I'll probably still be calling it that like I call the early SEC game the JP game.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

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    Diminishing returns. After one program in a state, you get less and less new sets with each addition in-state. That's one reason why Miss. State is practically worthless to the SEC. Wake Forest and Duke just don't support football at all and that's a concern as well.
    Neither Virginia nor NC really support football. But this move will leave the entire states' basketball viewership intact. So not only will there be fall programming but spring programming as well. If one designs the championship games for both sports correctly, then the other zoned/divisions which aren't traditionally strong may also keep interest during a conference playoff.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    4 super conferences with 16 teams each, the remaining 56 teams are in a new subdivision of D-1 programs.
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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    For a complete overhaul, 4 super-conferences with 32 teams each, 4 divisions of 8 teams. Then tier the divisions in England's Football League. You have to play the other 7 teams in your division, then 3 required games vs other teams at your level of play. Then the 2 games can be against teams from other levels, to preserve traditional rivalries in years when teams are at different levels. National Championship decided among the 32 top programs in the country. Lower levels have their own championships.

    At the end of the season, the top and bottom two teams from each level are promoted or relegated. This way, every school finds their natural level of competition.

    You could also add lower levels and work the FCS teams into the mix.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by RhodeIslandRed View Post
    Neither Virginia nor NC really support football. But this move will leave the entire states' basketball viewership intact. So not only will there be fall programming but spring programming as well. If one designs the championship games for both sports correctly, then the other zoned/divisions which aren't traditionally strong may also keep interest during a conference playoff.
    First off, let's start with VT. A lot of people see this as the football power addition. They have 65K in attendance and that is in the midst of a run of bowl games for a very long time. North Carolina has 56K in attendance, and that's with all the issues they have going on, and the fact that they have never been very good in football. The truth is the state supports football quite well all things considered. North Carolina and NC State all have solid attendance numbers and even Eastern Carolina has 50K in attendance, which is better than Boise St., Miami, and Georgia Tech. Virginia comes in at 47K, which isn't really all that impressive. However, they have bottomed out in football, those numbers would only go up in the SEC. Duke has 24K and Wake has 31K. That's a whole other level.

    Basketball matters, but why not get a basketball school that supports football well to? North Carolina fits that, and Missouri did as well. I'm not worried about just adding football powers, but having a tiny stadiums in the SEC is basically throwing money down the drain. I think VT is the other extreme though, a one trick pony and I'm not all that impressed with their one trick.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    I've advocated for Virginia and North Carolina, largely because they (like the proposed Big 10 additions) would only help and not hurt.
    IMO, there are only two possible destinations for UNCheat and UVA, and they are the ACC and the B1G. I don't disagree with your thinking, but I don't see it happening.

    And as an aside, after the awesome display of football incompetence put on by VT this year, you might reconsider whether adding us would really be a threat to anyone not named Kentucky.

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    Re: Official NEW Expansion Thread: Maryland reportedly going to B1G

    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91;2037046 [B
    It's obvious the ACC and Big East are dead[/B]. Whether we like FSU, UNC, Ga Tech, Clemson, Duke, UVA, or Va Tech or not, we better get ready. The SEC will have to get a few of them eventually. They are there for the taking and all that is really available for the SEC.

    Radio host on Yahoo Sports Radio said the Big 10 schools will go from $20 million in revenue to $35 million after the DC and NJ tv markets. Talk about a nice little chunk of change.
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    The Big Least may be, on life support, but it's hard to see the ACC as obviously dead. With teams in markets such as Pennsylvania, New York state, the eastern coastal states, Atlanta, and Florida, they have access to LOTS of television sets. Heck, their basketball revenues alone are huge, and that sport is far less expensive to operate than football.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

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    would Va Tech and either UNC or Duke be good editions to the SEC or would they be like Mizzou , cuz the east is an easy division
    duke and unc will never join the SEC...nor will uva. if we want the north carolina market, we should go after nc state. and if we want the virginia market, va tech is the only option.

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    Re: next round of expansion already getting underway

    Quote Originally Posted by USCBAMA View Post
    VT is tied to Va, won't go anywhere without them, thus voted party line.
    People keep saying this but it's not that simple. VT and UVA aren't necessarily a package deal. Obviously if both schools were to move together to a new, better situation that's an easy sell to the governor and the state legislature. However, if both are assured of a soft landing in different places, I think that would probably be approved as well. For example, if there were a way to send UVA to the B1G and VT to the SEC, I think there would be enough support to make it happen. I'm not saying that specific scenario is likely or that it would be easy to work the timing, just that it's possible for us to go our separate ways as long as neither school is left holding the bag.


    The ACC is UNC, Duke, Wake, NCSU (in that order) and then everyone else. Recent expansions had started to rock the pecking order in the conference, recent events are a result of Tobacco Road reasserting itself as the "powers that be" in the ACC.
    It's not called the "All Carolina Conference" for nothing...

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    Re: Official NEW Expansion Thread: Maryland reportedly going to B1G

    Quote Originally Posted by bama579 View Post
    The Big Least may be, on life support, but it's hard to see the ACC as obviously dead. With teams in markets such as Pennsylvania, New York state, the eastern coastal states, Atlanta, and Florida, they have access to LOTS of television sets. Heck, their basketball revenues alone are huge, and that sport is far less expensive to operate than football.
    Maryland is gone. FSU has flirted with the Big 12 and voted with Maryland to not raise exit fees. Might as well say they are gone, too. Notre Dame will try to save face as best as it can and call Delaney back to see the possibility of joining the Big 10. Not sure who would be a quality addition for the ACC.
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