Re: Official NEW Expansion Thread: Demise of the ACC?
Decent basketball add, but pretty much another NC State or UVA in terms of football.
Decent basketball add, but pretty much another NC State or UVA in terms of football.
Exactly... SMH.That Powerhouse Louisville!
Texas A&M, Notre Dame, and North Carolina seem like they'll be the biggest pieces in an expansion. Notre Dame remains a long shot, but they did make a deal with the ACC, which represents a move further south and some flexibility. I completely agree you do not add them unless as an equal member though (which is unlikely anytime soon). If Texas A&M can be equal so can Notre Dame.I do not want Notre Dame because I don't see them agreeing to be an equal member with everyone else. And, yes, they are in Indiana, but they are still pretty far north.
I'm not wild about UNC, either. Yes, it gets us in a new state, but a state that is more about basketball and one that is divided into four parts among BCS teams (five if you count East Carolina).
Well, the SEC, Big 10 and Pac-12 look to be the only parties with, or ready to launch a network. That means more potential revenue for most schools. I don't see any schools departing from those three, but everyone else is still vulnerable.It is interesting nobody seems to want to leave the SEC. Its not like no one has ever left before and our exit fee of zero isn't putting a gun to anyone's head.
They actually do generate a lot of revenue. They are bad if you want to do a TV network, but the ACC's deal already sold their tier three football rights anyway.@McMurphyESPN: BREAKING: ACC votes to add Louisville sources tell @ESPN. Cards will be 6th team to leave Big East for ACC
As I have felt at pretty much every stage of this game, I hope this settles it. But I'm sure it won't.
You say stall but if you know the Big10 is negotiating with them too then you have no choice but to negotiate as well otherwise you likely lose the opportunity to merge them. They have a network we dont, based on their targets of late their economics of expansion differs greatly from ours and actually may not be an equal sharing in the conference at all now. Our expansion terms might not be as flexible as theirs. Its pretty obvious their expansion efforts are driven from this point forward on something other than competitive balance, cultural fit, or attendance. They are expanding the brand of the Big 4 in their conference (Nebraska, OSU, UM, and PSU) as their primary objective and it appears they have the intelligence data (Nielson ratings of games watched outside the conference geographic footprint) to backup an approach whereby they acquire marginal institutions in high market areas.Texas A&M, Notre Dame, and North Carolina seem like they'll be the biggest pieces in an expansion. Notre Dame remains a long shot, but they did make a deal with the ACC, which represents a move further south and some flexibility. I completely agree you do not add them unless as an equal member though (which is unlikely anytime soon). If Texas A&M can be equal so can Notre Dame.
The same goes for UNC. I don't see adding them if you have to add another NC school to appease them. However, I've looked at the numbers and their brand is extremely valuable. They average 55K attendance in football, which puts them ahead of schools like Georgia Tech, Miami, etc... their athletic department's revenue puts them ahead of schools like Virginia Tech, Clemson, Missouri, etc... The key though is how much their tier three rights are worth. They are apparently worth as much as NC State, Virginia Tech, and Auburn put together. Their programming value would be extremely high and their population is high enough that despite having other instate schools, they would add a lot subscribers as well. They are a national brand though, a bit like Notre Dame and Alabama football (on the list I saw, Alabama comes in second to North Carolina in tier three revenue) and would make selling SEC programming that much easier.
If there is any sort of inevitability to having 16 teams, the SEC absolutely needs to zero in on those two schools and if they can't land either then they need to stall going to 16 as long as possible. If you don't like UNC and Notre Dame, take a hard look at NC State and Virginia Tech, who many seem to think is the direction the SEC is headed. Those two are vastly inferior.
Well, the SEC, Big 10 and Pac-12 look to be the only parties with, or ready to launch a network. That means more potential revenue for most schools. I don't see any schools departing from those three, but everyone else is still vulnerable.
They actually do generate a lot of revenue. They are bad if you want to do a TV network, but the ACC's deal already sold their tier three football rights anyway.
Yes. I did a little research the new ACC tv deal (12 yrs $3.6B) is on par with the SEC's current TV deal, $17M per season per team. I believe you could merge the 8 of those teams in your list (UNC, Duke, NCST, UVA, VT, CU, GATech, FSU) and probably put together a new accretive media deal for a 22 team SEC conference with division play. Then let the Big10 absorb Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and BC and maybe even miami. Then you negotiate hard to pull Notre Dame and pair them with Miami or Wake or another team on the west side to get you to 24 teams.So is this who is left in the ACC?
UNC
Duke
NC State
Wake Forest
UVA
VA Tech
Clemson
Ga Tech
FSU
Miami
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Boston College
It's not though. Yes, it was a fairly good deal all things considered, but it includes tier three football rights. That's why FSU was so mad, they basically lost all their PPV revenue.Yes. I did a little research the new ACC tv deal (12 yrs $3.6B) is on par with the SEC's current TV deal, $17M per season per team.
I really hope they do this. They are a bad fit and the only reason I could see their doing this is because Georgia Tech has a history as being a Notre Dame rival. If they get Georgia Tech and Notre Dame that's another thing, or North Carolina and Georgia Tech. By itself though, Georgia Tech isn't that stellar an addition.on some b1g 10 forums, they are saying the b1g 10 has offered georgia tech and are expecting an answer after the acc champ game.
Good Lord. At this point, it's not gonna stop is it?
Who does the ACC add this time? Central or South Florida?
Well they passed over UConn, so maybe they will give them a second chance.Who does the ACC add this time? Central or South Florida?
I thought UCONN is leaving the Big East already. All of this is confusing me way, way too much.Well they passed over UConn, so maybe they will give them a second change.
According to some reports, projections range from $100M to $200M as a result of the Maryland and Rutgers additions.It should be interesting to see if the B1G business model is correct, that is if the addition of Maryland, Rutgers, and/or GT bring any additional subscribers and monies. For these schools to justify their admission, they will need to attract an additional $90 million+ annually.