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    Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    So its been mentioned about the upcoming future Football-pocalypse known as the 4 team playoff for the official National Championship and the repercussions involved with the changes and shifts of power, etc, etc. Well, we are in a 3 game playoff right now and we are a number 1 seed verses a 13 seed for game number 1. And then it ramps up. I hope the boys play like it is 1's verses 1's and hand the Barners their hats at the end of the game.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Since this is related, I'll post here. Imagine if we were doing an 8-team playoff though with conference winners (Pac12, Big10, Big12, SEC, ACC only) and 3 at-large (in this case highest ranked conference non-champs) and seeding based on conference winners first and then at-large...


    1.Alabama (assuming Bama wins SEC)
    2.Kansas St
    3.Stanford (assuming Stanford beats UCLA and wins Pac12)
    4.Florida St (yeah they'll win it)
    5.Nebraska (assuming Nebraska wins Big10 vs PSU)
    6.Notre Dame (at large)
    7.Florida (Georgia loses to Bama, they'll be ranked behind LSU)
    8.Oregon


    Round 1:
    Alabama vs Oregon
    Kansas St vs Florida
    Stanford vs Notre Dame
    Florida St vs Nebraska


    Anyone who wants to play along at home, who wins these games?
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Who cares who wins those games? Remember how exciting last saturday was? That excitement all goes away with a playoff.
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    No it doesn't. Instead of games being relevant only for 2 spots, they will be relevant for 4. Which means, there will be more relevant play-in games with a 4-team playoff.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Bourbon View Post
    No it doesn't. Instead of games being relevant only for 2 spots, they will be relevant for 4. Which means, there will be more relevant play-in games with a 4-team playoff.
    Yes it does. It's gone.

    The NFL isn't that exciting right now, and it wont be for a while. I watch and I enjoy it, but it's not it's most exciting until the first few rounds of the playoffs. Every week of college football is exciting because every single week effects who the champion is.

    There are NFL teams currently with 4-6 records who still have a shot to win the Super Bowl. That's ridiculous & laughable. It's why playoffs aren't the truest test of which teams are the best.

    What college football has been able to do is remarkable. It's the best sport going and the major reason for that is it's regular season is so meaningful. It's a shame that's going by the wayside so that we can make it conform to what societies idea of a champion is.
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedStar View Post
    There are NFL teams currently with 4-6 records who still have a shot to win the Super Bowl. That's ridiculous & laughable. It's why playoffs aren't the truest test of which teams are the best.

    What college football has been able to do is remarkable. It's the best sport going and the major reason for that is it's regular season is so meaningful. It's a shame that's going by the wayside so that we can make it conform to what societies idea of a champion is.
    Completely agree. I will say that a small playoff bracket (only a plus-1 model) still keeps some meaning in the regular season and is truthfully a big help for the SEC. If we didn't get the breaks last weekend, we'd be looking at "just" an SEC title; under a plus one, we'd still be in the national picture. If they expand to more than 4, I'll be extremely disappointed. No one really watches the NBA or NCAA b-ball until the playoffs or March Madness; the NFL is going to be popular no matter what, but the regular season is fairly meaningless. A team shouldn't be able to sit guys for 1 or 2 games because they're already locked into the playoffs with home field advantage. It makes those games meaningless and simply takes money from the fans for a sub-par show.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Simple truth: the more teams that make the playoffs, the more diluted the regular season is. If Oregon had lost to Stanford last week then their fans would have shrugged their shoulders and said, "Looks like we're not the top seed." As it was the entire stadium nearly was in tears.

    I have minor disagreements with krazy3 over some of what he says but his central point needs to be understood: you WILL necessarily dilute the greatest regular season in sports.

    When we lost to aTm, there was immediate depression and anxiety; when the others lost there were bar celebrations. Neither happens in a four-team playoff and you don't even watch with an eight.

    The danger of right now is a team could do everything right but because they weren't highly ranked in the pre-season they get left out. Or a team could do everything right but fall in the BCS because they scheduled Miami or Michigan when those teams had terrible years. A four-team remedies that.

    An eight- team means not only do not we not care when we lost, we don't even watch Oregon or K State because they mean nothing to us. And this is not a three-game playoff because Auburn or USC does not advance with a win. This validates krazy's view more than a playoff view.

    Be forewarned: a playoff like the NFL without the talent of the NFL will be as attractive as the AAA World Series in baseball. How many of you have ever watched one?
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Two things:

    1. While a 4-8 team playoff might diminish some regular season matchups, it still will behoove a team to win them all as to assure a better seed. Actually, it will make it easier for the traditional top 5 team like us to make the playoff. For the record, I don't think our fan base will ever look at a regular season game as "meaningless" because they all will still matter (with the added grace of the playoff).

    2. I don't think it's fair to compare a 4-8 team playoff with the NFL playoff system. There are only 32 NFL teams and 12 of them can make the playoffs. That is why so many with losing records can get in. When it comes to the college game, while there may only be 20-25 teams each year that have a legitimate chance to win it all, because there are 120 teams in the league we will never see a team with a losing record get into the playoff.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    With only FOUR teams in the playoff, the excitement isn't going away.

    There are 120 teams in the "league." It will be very tough to make the top four.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    2. I don't think it's fair to compare a 4-8 team playoff with the NFL playoff system. There are only 32 NFL teams and 12 of them can make the playoffs. That is why so many with losing records can get in. When it comes to the college game, while there may only be 20-25 teams each year that have a legitimate chance to win it all, because there are 120 teams in the league we will never see a team with a losing record get into the playoff.
    It won't this year, but I think it is pretty evident that the playoff field will not get smaller.
    Virtually everything like it grows - the NCAA tournament, the number of bowl games, etc.

    The over/under on years it takes before a debate over what team gets in as the #4 team: 1.5
    The over/under on years following that event before teams #5 and 6 are added to the playoff: 1.5

    Granted, there's a LONG way to go before, percentage-wise, the number of teams in the NCAA playoff even approaches the NFL. But, I think the issues of (A) growth of the field, and (B) diluting the regular season are still relevant.

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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    The answer as always is somewhere in between. With a conference winner play-in, you can no longer say you didn't get a chance. Also, the regular season will still matter. With 3 at-large teams being selected by rankings, the regular season will still matter. You still get the best of traditional college football and added excitement of a "playoff." Everyone else gets a bowl game. There should be no issue with this.
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkaboutSean View Post
    With only FOUR teams in the playoff, the excitement isn't going away.

    There are 120 teams in the "league." It will be very tough to make the top four.
    The problem is, it wont be 4. By 2030, I can almost guarantee you that it will be 16+. Name me one sport that hasn't expanded it's playoff format since it began. Please. I'm seriously asking. I've yet to find one.

    My problem isn't the 4 team playoff. Honestly, a 4 team playoff is better than what we've got, and teams 5-8 shouldn't have a horse in the race. Playoffs ALWAYS expand. Always.
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    Re: Just to Point out the obvious, we're in a 3 game playoff.

    It's sad that the NCAA is bowing to society's pressure of what a "Champion" should be, decided by a bunch of morons (in general) who don't really know anything about the real sport of football, or who are so busy whining about "their" little team not getting any of the big $$$, but worse yet, the NCAA had no choice due to the possibility of getting sued by the US Government under antitrust laws. I seriously believe that was the main impetus of this whole thing.

    Unfortunately, college football's success (and the money it brought) is what is leading to its very demise---and it WILL decline in quality as these "WONDERFUL, FANTASTIC, STELLAR, JUST WHAT WE NEEDED" "playoffs" (sarcasm intended) expand---and they WILL expand just as RedStar said, because they WILL make money, and we WILL watch them...it really is the beginning of the end.
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