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    Did Bill Oliver set a Precedent for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Auburn?

    Did Bill Oliver set a precedent for all future coordinators at Alabama offered positions at Auburn? Or is being offered the head coach an exception? The uniqueness of excepting a job at Auburn over any other school is that it largely diminishes your resume at Alabama in the minds of many fans, the people that you will continue to coexist with. Oliver's move showed that he automatic dislike and ridicule of the Auburn head coach and coordinators by Bama fans is stronger than the good feelings of past accomplishments at Alabama. You will forever be an Auburn man. Brother Oliver also demonstrated that if you flop there, you could have disdain from both sides. It's a gamble that will follow you, unless you leave the SEC imo. This is not al fans but the typical from what I've seen. I am atypical.

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    Bill Oliver had a pristine reputation with the fanbase considered a magnet for NC's after playing on an Alabama National Championship team, coaching the db's during the Coach Bryant's 2nd wind from 71-79 and later coming back as DC on the 92 team. When he was at Bama in any capacity, we were usually at the top. It's unfortunate that many Alabama fans now refer to him as Benedict Oliver, and have re branded him as a trader to this day. His relationship with the coaches is irrelevant to that segment, it's that he left Alabama to go to Auburn, that is his legacy over a remarkable career as one of the best DC's of all time.

    Bill Oliver's story is so profound that I believe it has set a precedent and that you will never again see a Bama coordinator leave for Auburn, as head coach or coordinator. Anyone agree or disagree?

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Disagree. I have no doubt an Alabama assistant would take the HC job at Auburn under the right circumstances. Do you think Bill Oliver cares what you think about him? He wanted to be a head coach and took a calculated risk that didn't work out.

    And by the way, I disagree with your fundamental premise. Plenty of Alabama fans wanted Bill Oliver as DC just a few years ago.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    I just can't imagine Kirby Smart, being a Dawg alum and long term Bama assistant, roaming the sidelines on the plains. If anybody hates Auburn more than us it's Georgia.

    I know money talks, but it just doesn't seem like a good career move for KS right now IMO.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    I wish Bill Oliver would have stayed at Alabama. He would have surely been the top choice after Stallings retired. Oliver would have been a much better hire compared to Mike Dubose. I think his ego got in the way. I know this won't be a popular statement but I think his defenses were better than Saban's. Seemed like we got more pressure on the QB during his stint and caused more turnovers. His defenses were so good at winning games and scoring points that we relied on the D so much it got us into trouble at times. i think that caused a big feud with liver and Stallings. Especially when Homer Smith came back. Gene just wouldn't let Homer do his thing.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    I can't see any of our assistants going to auburn until things begin to improve over there. No way Kirby Smart takes that job to be a puppet for dye, lowder, and whoever else has the "power" on the plains. Not to mention the looming NCAA issues.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    It's unfortunate that many Alabama fans now refer to him as Benedict Oliver, and have re branded him as a trader to this day.
    I often refer to him as "Trader Bill". I once saw a werewolf drinking a Pina Colada in his bar. His hair was perfect.
    Ask me about my vow of silence.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I just can't imagine Kirby Smart, being a Dawg alum and long term Bama assistant, roaming the sidelines on the plains. If anybody hates Auburn more than us it's Georgia.
    It didn't stop Pat Dye.
    “We have 45 men suited up. They're all supposed to be ready to play.”

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I just can't imagine Kirby Smart, being a Dawg alum and long term Bama assistant, roaming the sidelines on the plains. If anybody hates Auburn more than us it's Georgia.

    I know money talks, but it just doesn't seem like a good career move for KS right now IMO.
    I agree that regardless of anything else, it's not a good fit. They are going to get an offensive man imo. They still have visions of the spread when it worked, which was about 25% of the total time they ran it including the Franklin years.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    It didn't stop Pat Dye.
    Yes, he succeeded at Auburn.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    I will forever be grateful for what Brother Bill did during his days at Bama (player and coach). That's all
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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Quote Originally Posted by luvthat_TIDE View Post
    I will forever be grateful for what Brother Bill did during his days at Bama (player and coach). That's all
    That's how I feel, and to answer a question above indireclty, I do believe he cares what Bama fans think. It is pretty unrealistic to believe he is so Teflon as to not care one way or another how his fellow state citizens view and appreciated his vast accomplishments and hard work for the biggest attraction in the state. That's one of those John Wayne responses you so often get.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    It didn't stop Pat Dye.
    Totally different set of circumstances back then IMO. Coaches stayed longer and the expectations would have been much lower in those days at Auburn.

    Auburn is a dumpster fire and if KS values the idea of making a big splash into the head coaching arena I can't imagine him being able to do that at Auburn under these circumstances.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    I just can't imagine Kirby Smart, being a Dawg alum and long term Bama assistant, roaming the sidelines on the plains. If anybody hates Auburn more than us it's Georgia.
    Coaches don't share the same emotions as fans. Coaching is a job and most of them will go anywhere that will further their career and I don't blame them. The coaching landscape is littered with people who have coached places considered "off limits" by the fans of the schools they either coached at or played at. Vince Dooley and Pat Dye are two quick ones that come to mind just looking at the AU/UGA combo.

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    Re: Did Bill Oliver set a Precedant for all future Bama Coordinators offered by Aubur

    I believe that Oliver's first job was with Auburn. This is their career, it's about their family. They want the best job they can get. Saban won his first NC at LSU. I am sure he had great feelings about that place. He still came to Alabama.

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