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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

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    I guess this bears repeating, since the idea of a "wasted year" keeps coming up. The odds that this will be a wasted year are very long. He can go pro as soon as his senior HS class has completed three years of eligibility. Guys with his level of ability almost always opt to do that, as it makes good economic sense. The only reason he would stay - or use - that fifth year would be another injury, generally a season-ending one. That is the only risk Chris and his family are taking and that's what why Saban was consulting with them. If Saban says that Chris can help them team, then, to me, that means he plays...
    i think it was cecil hurt that pointed out that its not even an issue that is in play until the 2015 season (i think my counting is correct). the way saban recruits, i'm not sure it will be a problem any way it pans out.
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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i think it was cecil hurt that pointed out that its not even an issue that is in play until the 2015 season (i think my counting is correct). the way saban recruits, i'm not sure it will be a problem any way it pans out.
    You are correct, but Cecil actually said the only time this will have any effect is in the 2016 season - meaning Chris won't be available to play in 2016 if he plays any this year. As Earle pointed out, he may be gone after the 2014 season anyway if he's as good as we hope he is. Staying until 2015 would just be icing on the cake. I guarantee that the 2016 roster is the last thing on Coach's mind right now...

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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    I say let him run back the opening kick off just to get his head in the game and ready to make some big plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide1224 View Post
    It could say that he is that good. As Coach said in his presser this week they need to have more receivers cause they get winded in 2 minute situations and if they run long routes. Right now we havfe Cooper, Norwood, Jones, Jones, and Shinn as basically the only guys who have played. Cy. Jones and Shinn barely have more experience than Black, so to me it's a great idea to get him in the game.

    God forbid we have another injury in this game to any of these guys and we will certainly need him. So to me it is a no brainer that if he can contribute he should play. And to me it doesn't mean that something is wrong with the other guys.

    ^^^^ THIS^^^^^^

    I am of the belief that C. Black is and was better than most of the WR on the roster before he was hurt(he was ranked among the top 3 WR in the nation). So it doesnt say anything bad about the other WRs because frankly they have done and excellent job this year. It speaks more about the ablity and determination of Chris. Most of you sound as though putting him in the game is a big risk....Why? How? Chris has been on campus since last winter, went through spring training/practice, had a great A-Day game, went through summer workouts and fall practice and according to the reports from coaches and players he was poised to make a big spash this fall. Why would you doubt that player simply because he is coming off of an injury, even after he was cleared by the doctors to take contact? Who knows if Bama will be back in the hunt for these game again in the next 4 years?(I hope they will) If any of you were Chris you would not say...." I dont wanna play in the championship games coach....I wanna wait till next year and play the whole season." That is not the mind set of a "Football Player". If you have ever played football...you know that as a player you want to be in the game...plain and simple.

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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

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    Our offense is more open in terms of where McCarron directs the ball. We aren't running a lot of "decoy routes" rather the routes that get covered aren't targeted. If UGA plays the deep ball off play action and aggressively attacks the crossing routes then Black might not make many plays but in theory that would open things up for other guys.
    This is the point some are missing. His presence, especially if his speed is Bellish or better has to be accounted for. Therefore, even if he is a decoy, he may be a vital part of the success of a play.

    Just for kicks, I'd send him on a post pattern the first play he's in just to test the respect they are going to give him. But instead of throwing to him, hit Cooper on a drag route across the middle.

    If he blows by the defensive backs, even if we don't throw it to him, it will be in their minds the rest of the game. Then the play action running game can really take charge!

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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    This is like the best thread all year!

    What a story if it plays out!

    Appears to me Chris was just hammering the coaches to get in there.

    Hey, Coach I'm good let me help, I can help, you'll see!

    This kid plays like the heart he has, we may see a record day in receptions!

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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    I tend to agree that he won't be here 5 years anyway, might as well use him. Besides it is so hard to get to a championship game, you have to do everything possible to win it when you are there.

    And it is something for the UGA coaches to think about. With Cooper on the field, you certainly want help (safety, nickel, whatever). You have to put a good player on Norwood and you probably want help there. Now, what do you do with Black? And what do you do if he runs off and leaves your guy on the first play? Go dime and worry about Williams or Lacy catching one out of the backfield? Just play zone all the time? UGA has a very very good defensive backfield. This will give them some things to think about if Black is ready for the speed of the game and if his injury has healed enough to hold onto the ball and block effectively. And if CNS puts him out there, I'm pretty confident he's ok on both of those counts.
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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    This is the point some are missing. His presence, especially if his speed is Bellish or better has to be accounted for. Therefore, even if he is a decoy, he may be a vital part of the success of a play.

    Just for kicks, I'd send him on a post pattern the first play he's in just to test the respect they are going to give him. But instead of throwing to him, hit Cooper on a drag route across the middle.

    If he blows by the defensive backs, even if we don't throw it to him, it will be in their minds the rest of the game. Then the play action running game can really take charge!
    IIRC, Chris has been electronically timed as low as 4.38. I believe Bell was timed around 4.5, which is plenty fast. That was my reason for saying "slightly faster" earlier. Both are blazing fast, and there would be very few DBs who could hope to react after a move and catch up...
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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    IIRC, Chris has been electronically timed as low as 4.38. I believe Bell was timed around 4.5, which is plenty fast. That was my reason for saying "slightly faster" earlier. Both are blazing fast, and there would be very few DBs who could hope to react after a move and catch up...
    That time would be better if done with a stopwatch. Wow, that's fast.
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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    Black has speed that can't really be replicated by anyone on the roster other than maybe Belue. I always caution against reading too much in 40-yard times because the receiver position is really not played in straight line speed but quick hip movement and clean change of direction. Bell has become a consistent threat this season compared to the last few years where he'd make one big play then disappear for games at time because he cleaned up his route running and technique. I felt he got pushed off his routes too much last year...either veering him off where McCarron wanted to go over the middle or simply getting played into the 12th defender (the sideline). Black may face the same issues, he's a young guy...his pure speed is lethal though if teams let him get some free releases.

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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

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    Has anyone noticed if Fluker Is still tipping off plays by his feet?
    Yep. If he steps on your chest with only one foot, it's a pass play. Both feet, it's a run.
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    Re: Chris Black to make debut against Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Tom View Post
    This is like the best thread all year!

    What a story if it plays out!

    Appears to me Chris was just hammering the coaches to get in there.

    Hey, Coach I'm good let me help, I can help, you'll see!

    This kid plays like the heart he has, we may see a record day in receptions!

    Roll Tide!
    This is almost like an early Christmas present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Black has speed that can't really be replicated by anyone on the roster other than maybe Belue. I always caution against reading too much in 40-yard times because the receiver position is really not played in straight line speed but quick hip movement and clean change of direction. Bell has become a consistent threat this season compared to the last few years where he'd make one big play then disappear for games at time because he cleaned up his route running and technique. I felt he got pushed off his routes too much last year...either veering him off where McCarron wanted to go over the middle or simply getting played into the 12th defender (the sideline). Black may face the same issues, he's a young guy...his pure speed is lethal though if teams let him get some free releases.
    Watching him in the practice vids this week, he is crazy quick, crisp and smooth in and out of his cuts

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