Page 4 of 13 FirstFirst 1234567891011 ... LastLast
Results 40 to 52 of 166
  1. #40
    BamaNation Hall of Fame cbi1972's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Posts
    15,241
    My Mood
    BamaVictory on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    Re-think what? Bottom line even if you take out Alabama's FCS opponent your opponents' records is 69-62. The record of the teams Alabama beat (FCS game removed)is 59-62.....ND's opponents record 82-60, Record of teams ND beat 40-32.

    Florida from the SEC has played the toughest schedule not Alabama or Georgia.
    For top teams, there is little difference between playing a bad team and a mediocre team as far as winning percentage goes. A top team should beat middle-of-the-pack and bottom-feeding BCS teams as well as any FCS teams on the schedule. However, if you LOSE to those teams, or win with spurious calls, or just look bad winning, then the perception is that you may not really be that good. Notre Dame, while they have won every game, has looked bad winning against several opponents. The top SEC teams have each lost games, but only against other good SEC teams. Georgia has looked bad against SC and Kentucky, Florida has looked bad against Georgia and LA-Lafayette, and LSU has looked bad against Towson and Auburn. Alabama has looked vulnerable in two games against good teams, losing one, but has NEVER looked bad. That is why Alabama is still favored to win.

    For an objective ranking of how teams look, just look at Sagarin's predictor, in which Bama is #1, Oregon is #2, Notre Dame is #3, and Georgia is #8.
    Last edited by cbi1972; November 30th, 2012 at 03:13 PM.
    Audemus jura nostra defendere
    "When a loaf of bread looks like a banquet, I've no right buying tobacco. " - Grandpa Joe

  2. Advertisement
  3. #41
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    69
    Thread Starter

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by UAinAthens View Post

    ND doesn't have any comparison, because it doesn't have a conference. Several of the "bowl eligible" teams you refer to are Big10 (14) teams, and the best one of those ND played, Bama beat 42-14.
    Look, I hear what you are saying but the bottom line is out of the strong teams in the SEC Florida is the only one who has played a tougher schedule than ND. ND's first 9 opponents are all bowl eligible. And the composite records are the composite records of the opponents.


    They went into Norman to play one of the top offenses in the country averaging over 35 points per game, with one of the top QB's in the country. They beat them 30-13 and held them to 15 yards rushing.


    ND is one of only 3 teams in the FBS that averaged over 200 yards rushing per game while giving up less than 100 yards rushing per game. The other two are Alabama and Stanford (who ND beat, yes Taylor was stopped at the goal line)


    ND's front 7 IMO IS the best in college FB. Their DB's are green but ND gets pressure and sacks WITHOUT blitzing. There front 7 are big, physical and fast. Whoever plays against Louis Nix ND's NG, is going to have their hands filled. These are not big slow kids from the midwest. They are players from Florida, Texas, Georgia. Tuitt is a freak at 6'5 305 lbs who actually looks like a LB, not an ounce of fat on him 12 sacks from his DE and he is also great against the run.


    Alabama's OL will be the best ND has faced. ND's front 7 will be the best Alabama's OL will face.

    I don't like giving Saban 5 weeks to prepare against a redshirt freshman QB, especially the way Saban is so good at disguising defenses. But Golson has been getting better and better each week, he is mobile and ND will move the ball. The problem ND has had is finishing off drives with TD's not FG's.


    It will come down to the two things that ALWAYS determines who wins and loses

    1) War in the trenches
    2) Turnovers


    ND will MORE than hold it's own in the trenches, IF Golson does not turn it over (he has thrown only 4 interceptions) ND can win against either team. If ND turns it over they will lose, and if they turn it over a lot they will lose by a lot. And the same will hold true for Alabama or Georgia

  4. #42
    BamaNation Hall of Fame CajunCrimson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Breaux Bridge, La
    Posts
    8,713
    My Mood
    Busy on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    The ND Front 7 is not the best in College Football - IMO

    LSU's Front 7 is much better.....sorry

    I appreciate your excitement over your team, and I am glad you are here pleading your case.

    You are likely not going to get any more love than you've already gotten -- and the longer you plead your case, the more impatient some of our people (including me) are likely to get....

    Bama has never been outplayed in a BIG BIG BIG game in many years. LY though we lost to LSU -- in OT -- wasn't because we were outplayed. We missed some FGs and had a brutal call go against us......but, Coach will never be unprepared.

    Bama by 10 over UGA
    Bama by 21 over ND

    Enjoy your stay here!
    Raj: Excuse me, I can't be drinking, I'm about to make an important scientific discovery here!
    Howard:What? Galileo did his best work while drinking wine!
    Raj: How do you know that?
    Howard: He was Italian, it's a reasonable assumption.
    Raj: Dude, can you even open your mouth without saying a cultural stereotype?
    Howard: I'm sorry Galileo drank diet sprite!

  5. #43
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    69
    Thread Starter

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Mav,



    Alabama does not have the same luxury. We are handed eight games, the site and the date and told to go find four opponents. We usually schedule three mediocre to bad teams that need a payday and one good OOC team. There's no need to do otherwise when the difference in winning your division & finishing fourth is two plays.

    It is not our fault that Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, and Auburn were terrible. Yet even if those were 7-8 win teams we would have still beaten each by 20 points. None of those games was even close. Plus we played Michigan in the opener - when everyone is rusty - and put 41 points on them. We gave up 2 bombs with a new secondary for a TD.

    That said - lets not get ahead of ourselves. The Tide better show up with The Process if we want to win Saturday.
    I fully agree with what you are saying about a team can't control how a team is going to be during the year. ND is hearing all this crap now about BC, Pitt etc.

    See, everyone has to understand this. Teams like Alabama and Ga are lucky in that you can get 90% of your kids right in your backyard. Great HS talent. Where ND is? Indiana and Illinois? Forget it. So ND HAS to recruit nationally all over the country. And if you look at their roster kids are from all over Florida, Ga, Cailf, NJ, Ohio,...every part of the country.


    This is why last Saturday night's game between USC and ND was the highest rated college FB game since 2006 higher than last year's Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl. ND is to college FB what the Yankees are to pro baseball. So many people watch them. This is good for college FB when ND is good, good for all the programs. Do you know how many little kids will watch that BCS game dreaming of playing for thier dream program?

    Both schools try to do it the right way too. ND has a 97% Grad rate, Alabama's is 75% which is stilll a very good grad rate.

    You never hear about kids from either program stealing computers or getting arrested for beating up people. (Couple of ND players have gotten in trouble for drinking and driving)


    If Alabama wins tommorrow, and I think they will, I am going on record that the BCS NC game will get the highest ratings of any college FB game in the last 20 years.


    And that is a GREAT thing for all of college FB.

  6. #44
    BamaNation All-American trenda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Hendersonville, TN USA
    Posts
    4,467
    My Mood
    BamaVictory on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    Re-think what? Bottom line even if you take out Alabama's FCS opponent your opponents' records is 69-62. The record of the teams Alabama beat (FCS game removed)is 59-62.....ND's opponents record 82-60, Record of teams ND beat 40-32.

    Florida from the SEC has played the toughest schedule not Alabama or Georgia.
    You may want to re-think your earlier comment:
    Playing Navy or Pitt is a WHOLE lot tougher then playing Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, or Florida Atlantic. IF ND EVER played a team like that the media would CRUCIFY them....Those games ARE scrimmages.
    Is playing bowl-bound LA-Monroe (8-4), LA-Lafayette (7-4), or Western KY (7-5) any different than playing Navy (7-4), Pitt (5-6) or Wake Forest (5-7)? Is playing FAU (3-8) really any different than playing Boston College (2-10)? I'll put LAM, LAL and WKU up against Navy, Pitt and Wake (and especially BC) and feel good about their chances to win. Western Carolina and Towson on the other hand . . . (IMO, FBS teams shouldn't play FCS teams).

    I'm not arguing about who's played a tougher schedule. I think that your opinion that playing Navy and Pitt is a WHOLE lot tougher than the teams you mentioned above is off base. The bottom-feeders on ND's schedule are no tougher than the bottom-feeders on Bama's or other SEC schools.
    RTR


  7. #45
    BamaNation First Team miggy402's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Waycross, GA
    Posts
    373
    My Mood
    GameFace on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    Look, I hear what you are saying but the bottom line is out of the strong teams in the SEC Florida is the only one who has played a tougher schedule than ND. ND's first 9 opponents are all bowl eligible. And the composite records are the composite records of the opponents.


    They went into Norman to play one of the top offenses in the country averaging over 35 points per game, with one of the top QB's in the country. They beat them 30-13 and held them to 15 yards rushing.
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that OU has one of the top offenses in the country. They have been inconsistent all season. They even almost lost to UTEP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    ND's front 7 IMO IS the best in college FB.
    I understand this is you opinion, but I don't think they have been tested enough to truly say they are the best. How many great offensive lines have they gone up against? Besides, as long as Stanford leads the nation in sacks and TFL, I'd have to give that honor to them. (BTW, ND ranks 19th and 68th respectively.)

  8. #46
    BamaNation Hall of Fame CajunCrimson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Breaux Bridge, La
    Posts
    8,713
    My Mood
    Busy on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    See, everyone has to understand this. Teams like Alabama and Ga are lucky in that you can get 90% of your kids right in your backyard. Great HS talent. Where ND is? Indiana and Illinois? Forget it. So ND HAS to recruit nationally all over the country. And if you look at their roster kids are from all over Florida, Ga, Cailf, NJ, Ohio,...every part of the country..
    Yeah, maybe ND needs a bigger alumni with more money and their own network that doesn't ever show any other team other than yours....in order to compete..... Oh wait!
    Raj: Excuse me, I can't be drinking, I'm about to make an important scientific discovery here!
    Howard:What? Galileo did his best work while drinking wine!
    Raj: How do you know that?
    Howard: He was Italian, it's a reasonable assumption.
    Raj: Dude, can you even open your mouth without saying a cultural stereotype?
    Howard: I'm sorry Galileo drank diet sprite!

  9. #47
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    69
    Thread Starter

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunCrimson View Post
    Yeah, maybe ND needs a bigger alumni with more money and their own network that doesn't ever show any other team other than yours....in order to compete..... Oh wait!
    What are you talking about? ND has 8000 undergraduate students. It is a small alumni. How many students go to Alabama 20-30 thousand? It is the subway alumni, people like me who never attended ND but are all over the country. As far as the NBC TV deal, again it goes back to the national following ND has. They are the only program who could have their own TV contract due to their following. They played a game in Ireland in the fall and sold it out. They played a game in Japan about 15 years ago and sold it out. ND and Stanford are talking about playing a game in China. And you know what, ND will sell that game out too.

    Having a program with that kind of following is good for all of college FB even better when they are good.

  10. #48
    BamaNation Hall of Fame selmaborntidefan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    8,356
    My Mood
    BamaVictory on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    I fully agree with what you are saying about a team can't control how a team is going to be during the year. ND is hearing all this crap now about BC, Pitt etc.
    Not a problem here - although we hear every year about how the SEC stacks the schedule. Hear me clearly - Arkansas and Kentucky do that; LSU, Tennessee (grinds teeth), and Alabama do not. LSU, in fact, might be the best of doing the home and home thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    See, everyone has to understand this. Teams like Alabama and Ga are lucky in that you can get 90% of your kids right in your backyard. Great HS talent. Where ND is? Indiana and Illinois? Forget it. So ND HAS to recruit nationally all over the country. And if you look at their roster kids are from all over Florida, Ga, Cailf, NJ, Ohio,...every part of the country.
    There are some counter-problems to that:

    1) Alabama has to compete with the checkbook of Auburn that dishes out $200K to talented QBs

    2) Ohio State is on probation, which frees up Ohio plus Kelly has connections there because he was at Cincy; also, Pennsylvania is a huge state and Penn State is just something nobody even wants to admit exists right now.

    3) Notre Dame has long been able to say "we want X" and go get him. It's not like it used to be, but it is still there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    This is why last Saturday night's game between USC and ND was the highest rated college FB game since 2006 higher than last year's Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl. ND is to college FB what the Yankees are to pro baseball. So many people watch them. This is good for college FB when ND is good, good for all the programs. Do you know how many little kids will watch that BCS game dreaming of playing for thier dream program?
    That game was highly rated only because the Irish were number one. If they were a .500 team like they've been for most of the last two decades that game would not have registered - even if USC was in the running. Keep in mind that MANY fans of Oregon, K-State and Alabama tuned in hoping for an upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    Both schools try to do it the right way too. ND has a 97% Grad rate, Alabama's is 75% which is stilll a very good grad rate.
    Agreed - I remember when our GR was about 20% or so - terrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    You never hear about kids from either program stealing computers or getting arrested for beating up people. (Couple of ND players have gotten in trouble for drinking and driving)


    If Alabama wins tommorrow, and I think they will, I am going on record that the BCS NC game will get the highest ratings of any college FB game in the last 20 years.
    I think it will be the highest rated game ever just because of the pedigrees.
    I'll always look back as I walk away
    This memory will last for eternity
    And all of our tears will be lost in the rain
    Til I find my way back to your arms again

    Only a few people in the world have the ability to remember everything. I'm one of them. Pick any day of my life, and I can tell you what I saw or heard.

  11. #49
    BamaNation All-American theballguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Behind is in Colorado Springs, heart in Alabama
    Posts
    2,074
    My Mood
    GameFace on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    I would bet on Alabama to beat Georgia or Notre Dame. But, to beat Georgia AND Notre Dame? That's a tall order for any team...
    Luckily, we aren't playing them both at the same time. ;-) We get to play 'em one after the other. So, if any team can do it, it's definitely Alabama.
    I know what it takes to win. If I can sell them on what it takes to win, then we are not going to lose too many football games. - Coach Paul Bryant and I can see Coach Nick Saban agreeing completely.

  12. #50
    BamaNation Second Team
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    69
    Thread Starter

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Not a problem here - although we hear every year about how the SEC stacks the schedule. Hear me clearly - Arkansas and Kentucky do that; LSU, Tennessee (grinds teeth), and Alabama do not. LSU, in fact, might be the best of doing the home and home thing.



    There are some counter-problems to that:

    1) Alabama has to compete with the checkbook of Auburn that dishes out $200K to talented QBs

    2) Ohio State is on probation, which frees up Ohio plus Kelly has connections there because he was at Cincy; also, Pennsylvania is a huge state and Penn State is just something nobody even wants to admit exists right now.

    3) Notre Dame has long been able to say "we want X" and go get him. It's not like it used to be, but it is still there.



    That game was highly rated only because the Irish were number one. If they were a .500 team like they've been for most of the last two decades that game would not have registered - even if USC was in the running. Keep in mind that MANY fans of Oregon, K-State and Alabama tuned in hoping for an upset.



    Agreed - I remember when our GR was about 20% or so - terrible.



    I think it will be the highest rated game ever just because of the pedigrees.

    You know you hear these stories of some of these programs bribing kids and you don't believe it but I guess it's true.

    As far as the USC-ND game being the highest rated in 6 years, definitely all the Florida, Oregon fans and everyone else contributed to that. But don't forget this too, a couple of weeks ago ABC had their Saturday night prime time game ND against a what 2-8 BC squad? ABC would have NEVER put any other team who was undefeated against a team like that prime time. And they still got monster ratings for that game.

  13. #51
    BamaNation All-American colbysullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Pensacola, Florida, United States
    Posts
    2,582

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick2 View Post
    This is why last Saturday night's game between USC and ND was the highest rated college FB game since 2006 higher than last year's Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl. ND is to college FB what the Yankees are to pro baseball. So many people watch them. This is good for college FB when ND is good, good for all the programs. Do you know how many little kids will watch that BCS game dreaming of playing for thier dream program?
    Did you ever think maybe they tuned in because everyone wanted to see ND lose so their team could play for the title? Tons of other schools' fans were watching that game hoping ND would lose.

    Edit: Looks like this has already been discussed, sorry
    Last edited by colbysullivan; November 30th, 2012 at 04:49 PM.

  14. #52
    BamaNation Hall of Fame RTR91's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Prattville
    Posts
    20,944
    My Mood
    GameFace on TideFans.com

    Re: Objective Comparison of the Schedules and Stats of ND, Alabama, UGA

    Can someone tell me why a Notre Dame fan came on to an Alabama message board trying to provide "objective" stats and argue views? I'll be on an atheism message board telling them why Christianity is correct while I wait on the answer.
    "I don't know what class is but I can tell when one has it, you can tell from a mile away"
    Coach Bryant

    Rasuputin's response to my question "What benefit do tablets provide students?"
    (In an old southern trailer park redneck beer in hand marlboro light in other and camoflauge cutoff shorts man's voice) If a tablet was good enough for Moses and the 10 Commandments then by god they are good enough for my children in school today!!!!!!!

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
'Gear UP! Get your University of Alabama Crimson Tide National Championship & Football Dynasty Gear!