So you're saying Quinton is a headhunter. He's much taller than Murray. What's he supposed to do get on his knees before making a block?That was as bad of a helmet to helmet hit as I've seen this year. Quinton knew exactly what he was doing.
So you're saying Quinton is a headhunter. He's much taller than Murray. What's he supposed to do get on his knees before making a block?That was as bad of a helmet to helmet hit as I've seen this year. Quinton knew exactly what he was doing.
I think most won't admit it now, but there would be a 15-page thread saying the player should have been ejected and banned from the next game.
First contact is helmet to helmet dude. C'mon now. I'm glad they didn't call it but I honestly thought they should have. Said it immediately after the play.
I'm seeing a lot of shoulder in that hit...
If not, Murray would not be with us today:aiwebs_032:
I'm seeing a lot of shoulder in that hit...
The "first contact" happens to be helmet to helmet all the time. Fact is he led with the shoulder. Why else you see Dial's shoulder/arm going forward?First contact is helmet to helmet dude. C'mon now. I'm glad they didn't call it but I honestly thought they should have. Said it immediately after the play.
I don't think he intentionally meant to go helmet to helmet but when he saw Murray jogging towards the play he saw an opportunity to wipe him out and did so. That's what I meant by "knew what he was doing.", not that he's a head hunter. All I was saying is that in his efforts he did indeed go helmet to helmet and by rule whether intentional or not, that's a penalty.So the shoulder lead was a farce? He intended to hit him with his helmet? The intent to block the mess out of a quarterback that is trotting towards Dix is probably taught.
On an int, with all that's going on, are the players as distinctive as before, or do you just look for the closest person to block? And then, do you block them at 100%, or gingerly? This adds aspects to the game I don't necessarily want. Maybe the QB should just lay down after an int.
I do commend you for standing up for your convictions, which beats an unruly excuse making homer any day.First contact is helmet to helmet dude. C'mon now. I'm glad they didn't call it but I honestly thought they should have. Said it immediately after the play.
Until someone comes up with a better camera angle from the front or back you can't say that with any certainty.First contact is helmet to helmet dude. C'mon now. I'm glad they didn't call it but I honestly thought they should have. Said it immediately after the play.
I can agree with this.I don't think he intentionally meant to go helmet to helmet but when he saw Murray jogging towards the play he saw an opportunity to wipe him out and did so. That's what I meant by "knew what he was doing.", not that he's a head hunter. All I was saying is that in his efforts he did indeed go helmet to helmet and by rule whether intentional or not, that's a penalty.
Agreed and that works both ways right?Until someone comes up with a better camera angle from the front or back you can't say that with any certainty.
I disagree. First contact was with the shoulder. It's visibly clear his shoulder hits Murray before his helmet does. He's leading in with his shoulder - as he's taught when blocking on a return, shoulder hits first, and because of the angle (as stated before, he's much bigger than Murray) makes contact via helmet as well. In my opinion (and, obviously, in the opinion of the refs), the helmet contact is incidental. The viciousness of the hit comes from the shoulder. Had the helmets not hit each other, NO ONE would be claiming that block was unnecessary or "too vicious." Just that it was an incredible block that 'killed' the defender.First contact is helmet to helmet dude. C'mon now. I'm glad they didn't call it but I honestly thought they should have. Said it immediately after the play.
Gotta disagree with you, Sip. You're one of my favorite posters here, but if there was no question there'd be nothing discussed here.Without question should have been a penalty.
Well Trenda if we all agreed on every single little thing it would get kinda boring around here huh?I disagree. First contact was with the shoulder. It's visibly clear his shoulder hits Murray before his helmet does. He's leading in with his shoulder - as he's taught when blocking on a return, shoulder hits first, and because of the angle (as stated before, he's much bigger than Murray) makes contact via helmet as well. In my opinion (and, obviously, in the opinion of the refs), the helmet contact is incidental. The viciousness of the hit comes from the shoulder. Had the helmets not hit each other, NO ONE would be claiming that block was unnecessary or "too vicious."
We can all argue until we're blue in the face; but the fact is, there was no penalty called. And, with all of the concern over 'unnecessary, vicious head shots,' the no-call speaks volumes as to it's legality.
And, IF that had happened to McCarron, I would feel the same way. It's football; not a dance recital.
Totally agree, 'Sip! As someone stated above, always enjoy your posts (as well as most others). The fact that the majority of us can debate things on this site without being disrespectful is what makes TideFans so great.Well Trenda if we all agreed on every single little thing it would get kinda boring around here huh?
Fair enough Sip.:smile: Without another view all we can do is give the officials the benefit of the doubt. They are much closer than any of us.Agreed and that works both ways right?