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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    I thought the ball hit the ground, but it was also clearly shown that no one tipped the ball on that play right before the blocked kick.
    If they were going with what was called on the field in this game, they should have done that on this play too.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by glasscutter256 View Post
    I think the 2 calls that were not overturned, the Lacy touchdown and the non-tipped pass, were costly. Those 2 were worth 14 pts possibly. I know this is off topic, but I still claim the pass was not tipped and therefore should have been a PI call.
    Also, if we would have had a better angle, I think evidence would have showed Lacy did stretch the ball across before it was knocked out of his hand. We didn't have a clear shot on goal line of that one. Player was in the way.
    I thought we had a shot of the non-tipped pass had they taken more time to examine it. No change of spin or direction of the flight of the ball. Furthermore, with the view from behind the QB, it showed space between the defender's hands and the ball. Unfortunately, the next play they block our FG and score a TD.
    I also think if Depriest's foot was not in the way, we could have seen Gurley's knee down before he reached the endzone. Oh well. Roll tide anyway.
    ...which is why those calls weren't overturned. I think the difference was on the Interception, the one angle available definitly showed the ball contacting the ground when not in complete control.
    most of these calls were bang, bang variety...and I think that a couple went against us, but that doesnt mean they were horrible calls...IMO.

    I see no signs of a bias against us, and I see nothing different from any other game i watch...some calls go for you, some go against you.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    The reversal on review was the right call.

    Very hard to make out exactly what happened, but something looked funny and you can tell that Milliner did not catch it clean. He initially got his hands underneath the football, but he didn't make a clean catch of it right away, and as he was rolling over the ball was kind of straddling between both hands. At that point, without him having real possession, the ball gently touched the turf and that in and of itself means incompletion. Don't believe it helped him really secure the interception in any way -- not like the classic trap catch or something similar -- but the rule is the rule.

    Knew we were in for a nailbiter when that one was overturned. All I could think of when I saw the replay was Tommy Johnson's dropped interception against Florida on the final drive in 1994. Just knew that was happening all over again.

    Worst part was, as mentioned above, the length of time the review took, which I think really had less to do with the interception call and more an attempt to try to spot the ball correctly and get the clock right. Jess probably said it best in the postgame, we should have just called timeout after that to regroup.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    You'd think.
    The issue here isn't that it was a horribly officiated game. I think you could let it all come down to the replay booth and perhaps how replays are done.

    I can think of four plays, all crucial, and every call went Georgia's way. I'm not sure how often that happens but the one time they decide to overturn a ruling on the field, of course... of course it's in favor of Georgia.

    Gurly was down, Lacy scored a TD, the pass wasn't tipped. Now, you can argue a bit about each, but every one of those went the other way. Then, when you seemed to have a precedent of sticking with the ruling on the field, suddenly... after all of that and not believing our lying eyes, they decide to overturn a interception which in the least had no more visible evidence than the "tipped pass" did.

    So, it's easy enough to look at this and say we won didn't we? Well yeah, but had they gotten two crucial calls on the field correct, it might not have even been a close game. My wife is German but she's a big football fan. You know what an idiot I felt like trying to explain to her why that phantom tipped pass stood? It's like explaining to a child why people murder, there's no nice, reasonable way to do it.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    One more quick point...

    If 'Bama fans want to be upset at officiating on the final drive, don't talk about the interception (which was probably the right call), complain about the bodyslam of Square on the final big pass play down the middle. Square beat the center bad on a little inside move, and he was outright tackled and the refs never flinched.

    That right there should have been the end of the game. That moves UGA back to the 50, the time comes off the clock on the play anyway, and then you have 15 seconds left, no timeouts, 20+ yards needed for a first down, with your only real shot of being a Hail Mary. We got absolutely robbed on that one.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    The issue here isn't that it was a horribly officiated game. I think you could let it all come down to the replay booth and perhaps how replays are done.

    I can think of four plays, all crucial, and every call went Georgia's way. I'm not sure how often that happens but the one time they decide to overturn a ruling on the field, of course... of course it's in favor of Georgia.

    Gurly was down, Lacy scored a TD, the pass wasn't tipped. Now, you can argue a bit about each, but every one of those went the other way. Then, when you seemed to have a precedent of sticking with the ruling on the field, suddenly... after all of that and not believing our lying eyes, they decide to overturn a interception which in the least had no more visible evidence than the "tipped pass" did.

    So, it's easy enough to look at this and say we won didn't we? Well yeah, but had they gotten two crucial calls on the field correct, it might not have even been a close game. My wife is German but she's a big football fan. You know what an idiot I felt like trying to explain to her why that phantom tipped pass stood? It's like explaining to a child why people murder, there's no nice, reasonable way to do it.
    QUit looking at it as "going the other way". Look at it like this, since the replay did show you could argue either way, you CANT overturn the original call. Its that simple. On the INT, if this had not been against Bama, we wouldnt even be having this crazy thread that I for some reason keep partaking of. It was easily overturned by replay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBamaMan View Post
    QUit looking at it as "going the other way". Look at it like this, since the replay did show you could argue either way, you CANT overturn the original call. Its that simple. On the INT, if this had not been against Bama, we wouldnt even be having this crazy thread that I for some reason keep partaking of. It was easily overturned by replay.
    I was bunching three things together. There is 0 evidence that the pass was tipped. 0... absolutely nothing. That call was based on an assumption and stood because of how hard it is to prove a negative. They basically said "can you prove he didn't touch it?" and what on earth kind of way to officiate a game is that? I'm betting there were more and better angles on that to, that we didn't see but the replay booth could barely be bothered to look at all.

    That's the hang up for me. Do I fault them for not calling Gurley down on the field? No, I don't... but then why do they not give Lacy the same benefit of a doubt? I'll let that go though, but the tipped pass was just absurd. It was a call that Georgia lobbied for and got and that makes it worse. The flag was on the field. So, they overturned the play on the field essentially, rather than letting replay take a look. That was a horrible way to do it, and was biased by the very process. Just leave the flag, and you and I both know they had 0 evidence of the tipped pass on film.

    Someone explain why that call on the field should have been changed (after lobbying by Georgia) to tipped pass and then why in turn that should not have been overturned by the replay official and I'll gladly let go of the interception (I do think it was the right call, but I don't think it was an obviously overturnable call, can you prove to me he's not underneath it? I'll look at that picture), Lacy, and Gurley play. Combined it's just too much to stomach, win or lose...
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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    It was a bad spiral, it went right past a player's hand, one of the ref's made a split second decision. On Gurley's TD, called on the field a TD, not enough evidence he didn't score. On Lacy, call on the field was no TD, not enough evidence he scored. It's a simple as that. The tipped pass should have been reviewed, yes.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    It was a bad spiral, it went right past a player's hand, one of the ref's made a split second decision. On Gurley's TD, called on the field a TD, not enough evidence he didn't score. On Lacy, call on the field was no TD, not enough evidence he scored. It's a simple as that. The tipped pass should have been reviewed, yes.
    See, you don't explain why call on the field was TD for Gurley and not Lacy. That's all the difference in the world though isn't it? You blow the whistle on both plays, you have consistency. You call it a TD on both you have consistency. You have two very, very close plays and you break Georgia's way on each? That's unsettling. But, it's 50/50 by itself.

    Then you get to the tipped pass (and I'll just leave the holding stuff alone, we expect missed holds). It was a flag, it was not a split section decision! Georgia lobbied, the refs talked it over and then they said tipped pass. Still no proof, but I guess they did a good job of lobbying because there was no immediate indication on the field that it was called a tip. There was a yellow flag which indicated it wasn't. Then they did review it, but despite what we saw, which was in the least enough to cause doubt it was only briefly reviewed.

    Then that brings us to the interception. What had we seen so far? We saw plays on the field stands despite evidence to the contrary. We saw precedent, we also saw a brief little review on that crucial tipped pass. Instead, we get this long review and a reversal. Alabama fans had a right to be mad because where was that on the Gurley, Lacy, or tipped pass? That's the issue, you shouldn't wait until the last minute to develop an ability to take a hard look and reverse something.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    To me it says alot about how mentally strong this team is. With only 9 seniors on the team it's amazing to overcome the obstacles they faced. It speaks alot to the leadership on this roster also.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Lacy reached out towards the line for a split second before it was knocked out of his hand. I've seen replay after replay and lots of photos. After all that study, I think he scored. No way I would have called a touchdown in the moment. I thought Gurley scored. I would have called a touchdown. I had no problem with that call or the review.

    I've seen a lot of games with bad refs. I can't believe we are complaining about a game where no holdings were called against us, no pass interferences were called against us, and we had 15 yards of penalties. I'll take that crew every single week.

    And on the interception, there is no question that was the right call. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. He didn't catch it. It was incomplete. Take off the crimson colored glasses guys.

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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    Lacy reached out towards the line for a split second before it was knocked out of his hand. I've seen replay after replay and lots of photos. After all that study, I think he scored. No way I would have called a touchdown in the moment. I thought Gurley scored. I would have called a touchdown. I had no problem with that call or the review.
    I'm no math major, but while I could stomach those on an individual basis the statistical probability is not in favor of both going Georgia's way. I agree that neither was a terrible call though. I've also seen enough to believe Gurley was down and Lacy did score.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    Take off the crimson colored glasses guys.
    You're still glossing it over. Tipped pass call was horrible, it was bad. It was really bad. You could defend it if not for the flag. The flag was on the field because the guy throwing it didn't think it was tipped. He got overruled. Wrong call. It wasn't reviewed seriously, wrong call. This is bad, you are not supposed do that. It cost Alabama ten points, that's bad to. If Alabama lost this would have been why. If something like that happens in the Notre Dame game Alabama probably loses. I think we have a right to complain.

    The whole, crimson colored glasses, Alabama are sore losers, all of that stuff is missing how utterly screwed up that call and the results of that call were. It wasn't just wrong once, it was wrong twice and those two wrongs overruled the initial call which was right. That's more than enough to make any football fan fed up. The complaints about the interception call is all in that light. They absolutely were not going to overturn a call on the field... oh wait, yeah they could do that so umm...
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    Re: Dee Millners Pick that wasn't

    In my view, there was one bad call in this game. One. And that's the tipped pass. The reason that there was a flag is that the ref charged with preventing pass interference saw interference. Another ref, or possibly two or more, thought the ball was tipped. The huddled and discussed it, just as they should, and they came to the wrong decision. Then the review booth screwed up. That's a legitimate complaint.

    I'm not sure why that bad call should have resulted in a bad call on the interception that would have ended the game.

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