Seriously????????? Did you watch the same game we watched?If you watched the replay, we got the snap off before the whistle on the fake punt. I'm just glad we won. RTR
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Seriously????????? Did you watch the same game we watched?If you watched the replay, we got the snap off before the whistle on the fake punt. I'm just glad we won. RTR
...which is why those calls weren't overturned. I think the difference was on the Interception, the one angle available definitly showed the ball contacting the ground when not in complete control.I think the 2 calls that were not overturned, the Lacy touchdown and the non-tipped pass, were costly. Those 2 were worth 14 pts possibly. I know this is off topic, but I still claim the pass was not tipped and therefore should have been a PI call.
Also, if we would have had a better angle, I think evidence would have showed Lacy did stretch the ball across before it was knocked out of his hand. We didn't have a clear shot on goal line of that one. Player was in the way.
I thought we had a shot of the non-tipped pass had they taken more time to examine it. No change of spin or direction of the flight of the ball. Furthermore, with the view from behind the QB, it showed space between the defender's hands and the ball. Unfortunately, the next play they block our FG and score a TD.
I also think if Depriest's foot was not in the way, we could have seen Gurley's knee down before he reached the endzone. Oh well. Roll tide anyway.
The issue here isn't that it was a horribly officiated game. I think you could let it all come down to the replay booth and perhaps how replays are done.You'd think.
QUit looking at it as "going the other way". Look at it like this, since the replay did show you could argue either way, you CANT overturn the original call. Its that simple. On the INT, if this had not been against Bama, we wouldnt even be having this crazy thread that I for some reason keep partaking of. It was easily overturned by replay.The issue here isn't that it was a horribly officiated game. I think you could let it all come down to the replay booth and perhaps how replays are done.
I can think of four plays, all crucial, and every call went Georgia's way. I'm not sure how often that happens but the one time they decide to overturn a ruling on the field, of course... of course it's in favor of Georgia.
Gurly was down, Lacy scored a TD, the pass wasn't tipped. Now, you can argue a bit about each, but every one of those went the other way. Then, when you seemed to have a precedent of sticking with the ruling on the field, suddenly... after all of that and not believing our lying eyes, they decide to overturn a interception which in the least had no more visible evidence than the "tipped pass" did.
So, it's easy enough to look at this and say we won didn't we? Well yeah, but had they gotten two crucial calls on the field correct, it might not have even been a close game. My wife is German but she's a big football fan. You know what an idiot I felt like trying to explain to her why that phantom tipped pass stood? It's like explaining to a child why people murder, there's no nice, reasonable way to do it.
I was bunching three things together. There is 0 evidence that the pass was tipped. 0... absolutely nothing. That call was based on an assumption and stood because of how hard it is to prove a negative. They basically said "can you prove he didn't touch it?" and what on earth kind of way to officiate a game is that? I'm betting there were more and better angles on that to, that we didn't see but the replay booth could barely be bothered to look at all.QUit looking at it as "going the other way". Look at it like this, since the replay did show you could argue either way, you CANT overturn the original call. Its that simple. On the INT, if this had not been against Bama, we wouldnt even be having this crazy thread that I for some reason keep partaking of. It was easily overturned by replay.
See, you don't explain why call on the field was TD for Gurley and not Lacy. That's all the difference in the world though isn't it? You blow the whistle on both plays, you have consistency. You call it a TD on both you have consistency. You have two very, very close plays and you break Georgia's way on each? That's unsettling. But, it's 50/50 by itself.It was a bad spiral, it went right past a player's hand, one of the ref's made a split second decision. On Gurley's TD, called on the field a TD, not enough evidence he didn't score. On Lacy, call on the field was no TD, not enough evidence he scored. It's a simple as that. The tipped pass should have been reviewed, yes.
I'm no math major, but while I could stomach those on an individual basis the statistical probability is not in favor of both going Georgia's way. I agree that neither was a terrible call though. I've also seen enough to believe Gurley was down and Lacy did score.Lacy reached out towards the line for a split second before it was knocked out of his hand. I've seen replay after replay and lots of photos. After all that study, I think he scored. No way I would have called a touchdown in the moment. I thought Gurley scored. I would have called a touchdown. I had no problem with that call or the review.
You're still glossing it over. Tipped pass call was horrible, it was bad. It was really bad. You could defend it if not for the flag. The flag was on the field because the guy throwing it didn't think it was tipped. He got overruled. Wrong call. It wasn't reviewed seriously, wrong call. This is bad, you are not supposed do that. It cost Alabama ten points, that's bad to. If Alabama lost this would have been why. If something like that happens in the Notre Dame game Alabama probably loses. I think we have a right to complain.Take off the crimson colored glasses guys.
See, you don't explain why call on the field was TD for Gurley and not Lacy. That's all the difference in the world though isn't it? You blow the whistle on both plays, you have consistency. You call it a TD on both you have consistency. You have two very, very close plays and you break Georgia's way on each? That's unsettling. But, it's 50/50 by itself.
Then you get to the tipped pass (and I'll just leave the holding stuff alone, we expect missed holds). It was a flag, it was not a split section decision! Georgia lobbied, the refs talked it over and then they said tipped pass. Still no proof, but I guess they did a good job of lobbying because there was no immediate indication on the field that it was called a tip. There was a yellow flag which indicated it wasn't. Then they did review it, but despite what we saw, which was in the least enough to cause doubt it was only briefly reviewed.
Then that brings us to the interception. What had we seen so far? We saw plays on the field stands despite evidence to the contrary. We saw precedent, we also saw a brief little review on that crucial tipped pass. Instead, we get this long review and a reversal. Alabama fans had a right to be mad because where was that on the Gurley, Lacy, or tipped pass? That's the issue, you shouldn't wait until the last minute to develop an ability to take a hard look and reverse something.
We both know how pass interference works. The guy throwing the flag does not throw it if he sees the pass is tipped or anything that negates pass interference. His job is not to throw the flag if there is contact, it is to throw the flag if there is pass interference. He did, yes he was overruled but the notion that he was only looking for contact is misleading. He was looking for a legitimate pass interference call, which he saw and threw the flag on.In my view, there was one bad call in this game. One. And that's the tipped pass. The reason that there was a flag is that the ref charged with preventing pass interference saw interference. Another ref, or possibly two or more, thought the ball was tipped. The huddled and discussed it, just as they should, and they came to the wrong decision. Then the review booth screwed up. That's a legitimate complaint.
I'm not sure why that bad call should have resulted in a bad call on the interception that would have ended the game.
Yea lets have all the reviewed calls conclusions divided equally between both teams no matter what....We both know how pass interference works. The guy throwing the flag does not throw it if he sees the pass is tipped or anything that negates pass interference. His job is not to throw the flag if there is contact, it is to throw the flag if there is pass interference. He did, yes he was overruled but the notion that he was only looking for contact is misleading. He was looking for a legitimate pass interference call, which he saw and threw the flag on.
The lobbying and overruling legitimate pass interference is what brings in doubt to everything else that occurs. That flag was on the field and the cameras were moving around. Everyone could see what had taken place. Georgia was flagged for pass interference, Georgia was lobbying for tipped pass. They appeared to win.
It brought doubt into the entire process from there on out. Then you had to start thinking about why all four calls went Georgia's way.... I'm not justifying that leap, and I'm not going to keep going on and on about it. But, fans have a right to be unhappy. Four calls, four questionable calls, should not have all gone against Alabama, regardless of the situation, regardless of precedent, regardless of ruling on the field.
You take four plays, and accept the general notion that they could have gone either way (although in reality I'd say three should have gone Alabama's way on what actually happened on the field). It's like a coin flip, 50/50 each time. What are the odds of heads four straight times? That's a 6% chance. There was a 94% chance that one of those crucial calls in doubt would have gone Alabama's way. Yet, they didn't. It's perfectly reasonable to walk away from that being upset.
FTFY.Lot of confirmation bias here. All the calls didn't go Georgia's way. All the calls you think were questionable went Georgia's way. The interference in the end zone--which every Georgia player, coach, and fan thought was uncatchable--went our way. The personal foul penalty on McCarron--after an incomplete third down pass in the end zone--went our way. The (correct) no-call on the Dial hit on Murray went our way. No, this was a well-called game as games go.
absolutely no question that it hit the ground.Then you watched a different game or was too inebriated to see. One of the angles clearly showed it hit the ground.
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I'm saying there's a problem when you ultimately end up being wrong 75% of the time.Yea lets have all the reviewed calls conclusions divided equally between both teams no matter what....
The interference in the end zone was more than blatant. You can't generalize on what the fans thought either. That's absurd. I'd point out that most balls are uncatchable if a guy is yanking you to the ground. I don't think that play was reviewed though. I'm not 100% sure if the Lacy play was reviewed but I thought it was. I was talking about reviews...Lot of confirmation bias here. All the calls didn't go Georgia's way. All the calls you think were questionable went Georgia's way. The interference in the end zone--which every Georgia player, coach, and fan thought was uncatchable--went our way. The personal foul penalty on McElroy--after an incomplete third down pass in the end zone--went our way. The (correct) no-call on the Dial hit on Murray went our way. No, this was a well-called game as games go.
So, you're telling me that Lacy didn't break the plane with the ball? Is that what you're telling all of us? On top of that, you're also telling me that you are certain Gurley's knee wasn't down? I'm not talking about replay rules, I'm talking about what actually happened.No, the point is to get the calls right. Out of the four your mentioned, I think they got 1 wrong. Is 75% a good track record? Up for debate. I don't think the calls were.
You should read an official's mechanics manual. The deep judge's responsibility is to watch the action on the receiver. He needs to know in general when the ball is in the air so he knows whether a penalty is holding or pass interference, but he should NOT be watching the ball to see whether it gets tipped. That is primarily the umpire's job once a pass is away. If the deep judge is watching the ball, he will not see the action between the receiver and the defender. There is nothing wrong with dropping a flag and picking it back up. If the deep judge happens to see the umpire's tipped ball signal, he can choose to not drop the flag, but if he doesn't see that his responsibility is to call what he sees.We both know how pass interference works. The guy throwing the flag does not throw it if he sees the pass is tipped or anything that negates pass interference. His job is not to throw the flag if there is contact, it is to throw the flag if there is pass interference. He did, yes he was overruled but the notion that he was only looking for contact is misleading. He was looking for a legitimate pass interference call, which he saw and threw the flag on.