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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Got this off a ND board. This dude is a homer. I guess is to be expected.

    Interesting game. All sorts of odd things about it.

    1). Alabama's defense turns out to be far from impenetrable. We are always being accused of being frauds --- I'm wondering if there isn't a little fraudulence there. Georgia was "OK" offensively but I did not think particularly scary. If Everett has a good game, I see no reason why we will not move the ball.

    2). Our quarterback, if he doesn't turn it over, is better than theirs, maybe significantly better --- certainly much more talented. Weird to say that going into an NC game. Our receivers also look more athletic than theirs, as a group anyway. They have nothing approaching Eifert, nor did Georgia.

    3). Their running backs are brutal, but so are our tacklers --- we're bigger and stronger than Georgia defensively. Still those RBs pose our difficulty. Contain them, no ball turnovers, and we severely limit their scoring. Same verse, just like the first [twelve].

    4). Richt was an extreme bonehead on the final offensive play --- nearly inconceivable. Had Kelly ever done anything that bad, half this board [the troglodyte half] would never stop screaming about it. Saban though did something nearly as stupid just before the first half end. He didn't use one of THREE timeouts he had in the last half minute, and blew two shots at a touchdown. Our coach, gentlemen, is the better in-game coach.

    5). Georgia's defense was out-of-gas and almost completely quit in the second half --- over 300 total rushing yards, and Alabama still barely won. We are much the more physical defense than Georgia. And better conditioned. And probably deeper.

    6). I am not sure that I would say that Alabama is clearly better than either Stanford or Oklahoma. Stanford's as tough, and Oklahoma's as fast or faster. Both are better than Georgia, even though Georgia is a good football team.

    7). Alabama is VERY "simple" which is what Saban wants. They are a one-trick pony, albeit a powerfully effective one. Their entire game is brutal muscle. Georgia could not stand up to it. Texas A&M somehow could. The issue is: can Big Lou, Tuitt, and KLM look those guys in the eye and smile and shrug "bring it on"? Can Manti, Prince, Dan/Carlos, and Danny meet the two RBs at the holes and throw them down. Georgia couldn't; we're stronger. We'll see.

    Anyone who assumes that this is going to be an obvious SEC win will be speaking purely from biased stupidity and emotionalism. Alabama rushing power vs. Notre Dame front seven power might create supercollider fusions leading to Black Holes in Miami.
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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    That is largely a result of the number of conference games. The extra conference game (instead of a non BCS conference game) pushes the SoS up a fair bit. I think that's a bit of a flaw, because as I said before Alabama playing Western Carolina did not make the rest of the schedule any easier. However, it does say a lot to play more "big time" football programs vs. a program that will come take a payday to get beat. For instance we might mock Notre Dame for almost losing to Pitt, but we took the safe route and invited Western this and that to come in and play.
    Many keep forgetting the Western/Northern etc. teams are brought in for home only games to make money. That's it. We would sign up more weak BCS teams for the bump schedule strength if they would only come to Tuscaloosa like Southern Miss used to do. That's also why we play a neutral sight game with Michigan, Clemson, and others instead of a home and home.

    I don't know much about ND's cash flow and TV contract, but I'd bet there's some interesting terms in their contract to keep them from playing weak directional teams for the paycheck only.
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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    1. Our defense isn't impenatrable, but it's certainly not "far" from it. If UGA's offense isn't scary, Notre Dame's isn't either.

    2. Golson was a 3-star dual threat, McCarron was a 4-star pro style. One is an All-SEC quarterback, the other is a freshman with 11 career TD passes. Tim Tebow was more talented than Greg McElroy... so was Colt McCoy. We could just keep this going for a while here... not sure what his point is.

    3. Right. Alabama cannot score unless it's by a running back.

    4. Saban did make a tremendous blunder with the timeouts prior to halftime. But Kelly the better in game coach? That's a stretch to say the least.

    5. We threw an INT around the goalline, bungled a fake punt, had a FG blocked and returned for a TD, bungled the timeouts before halftime, etc., etc., etc.... all these things are why the game was close despite Alabama owning the line of scrimmage.. which he failed to mention.

    6. Nonsense.

    7. We'll see, he's right about that.




    I'm not sure anyone would notice Black Holes in Miami anyway. Heck, the entire southern tip of Florida could break off and drift towards Africa and I'm not sure many people would notice... or care for that matter.
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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica4Bama View Post
    Got this off a ND board. This dude is a homer. I guess is to be expected.
    of course their fans will think that...
    why wouldnt they?

    now, we over here know the true story...

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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by HartselleTider View Post
    7. We'll see, he's right about that.
    "Their entire game is brutal muscle. Georgia could not stand up to it. Texas A&M somehow could."

    He obviously did not watch our game against A&M. We could be 12-0 and unanimous #1 if we had gone with brutal muscle from 1st and goal. I'm sure their coaches respect Alabama's balance, though.
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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Not at all. I wasn't concerned playing Auburn that they only lost to LSU by 2. Different styles, different stages, different scenarios. Texas A&M is not catching Oklahoma after they won one of the greatest games in the programs history while on the road in the most hostile stadium in the country.

    I do agree that Notre Dames schedule is tough, but Oklahoma is a very one dimensional team. They aren't good defensively at all! Stanford is the only well-rounded team that Notre Dame played. Miami is supposed to be a fast paced high scoring offense, they average a TD less than we do a game. Mich St has lost to every good team they've played. Pitt needs no explanation. They have played bowl-eligible names, not necessarily good teams outside of those two I mention.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    Notre Dame has a higher SoS... I know the numbers.

    I'm not sure how you define good teams, but I just named a list of bowl eligible teams that are considered football powers. Oklahoma won a share of the Big 12 title, Miami should have gone to the ACC championship game. I think the SEC is by far the best conference in the land, but this everyone not in the SEC sucks stuff is a little much. If you think Oklahoma would have struggled against Western Kentucky you need to check your premises. They only lost to national title contenders.

    I do think Alabama's schedule was more difficult, as I said, from a physicality aspect. Notre Dame absolutely did not play a soft schedule. They played at least one upper level team from the ACC, Big 10, Pac-12, and Big 12.

    I think the Oklahoma vs Texas A&M game will tell us a whole lot about what to expect though. Oklahoma was probably Notre Dame's best game and A&M was probably Alabama's worst. If Oklahoma wins that game, or it's very close we have cause for concern.
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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    I'm beginning to think Sagarin ratings are, well, over-rated. How could ND's rating been so high when obviously they didn't play anybody worth a lick?

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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by BFANLC View Post
    I'm beginning to think Sagarin ratings are, well, over-rated. How could ND's rating been so high when obviously they didn't play anybody worth a lick?
    Being the only undefeated team will always get you a high rating.

    However, Sagarin's predictor ranking had Alabama at #1 before the bowls. In fact, his predictor ratings were about as accurate as any predictor. I don't have the analysis in front of me, but his predictor rankings are usually solid when it comes to actually predicting games.

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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by BFANLC View Post
    I'm beginning to think Sagarin ratings are, well, over-rated. How could ND's rating been so high when obviously they didn't play anybody worth a lick?
    Yeah, I mean they just played and beat two BCS conference champions.

    Come on now, stop disrespecting Alabama. Notre Dame was a good team, that played a fantastic team. Notre Dame deserved to play for a national championship and they played a high SoS, and nothing but BCS schools. It wasn't an easy schedule.

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    Strength of Schedule

    ND played names and the polls had those names higher. We know how good those names were.


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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Should have been a clue (hindsight is 50/50 as Yogi said) that ND won the two games against Stanford and OK that got them alot of respect, BUT they didn't blow out any of the inferior teams they played.

    Conversely, Bama lost to TAMU, had close calls against LSU and Georgia BUT we literally blew everyone else out.

    This is why a few saw a blowout coming!

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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica4Bama View Post
    Got this off a ND board. This dude is a homer. I guess is to be expected.

    Interesting game. All sorts of odd things about it.

    1). Alabama's defense turns out to be far from impenetrable. We are always being accused of being frauds --- I'm wondering if there isn't a little fraudulence there. Georgia was "OK" offensively but I did not think particularly scary. If Everett has a good game, I see no reason why we will not move the ball.

    2). Our quarterback, if he doesn't turn it over, is better than theirs, maybe significantly better --- certainly much more talented. Weird to say that going into an NC game. Our receivers also look more athletic than theirs, as a group anyway. They have nothing approaching Eifert, nor did Georgia.

    3). Their running backs are brutal, but so are our tacklers --- we're bigger and stronger than Georgia defensively. Still those RBs pose our difficulty. Contain them, no ball turnovers, and we severely limit their scoring. Same verse, just like the first [twelve].

    4). Richt was an extreme bonehead on the final offensive play --- nearly inconceivable. Had Kelly ever done anything that bad, half this board [the troglodyte half] would never stop screaming about it. Saban though did something nearly as stupid just before the first half end. He didn't use one of THREE timeouts he had in the last half minute, and blew two shots at a touchdown. Our coach, gentlemen, is the better in-game coach.

    5). Georgia's defense was out-of-gas and almost completely quit in the second half --- over 300 total rushing yards, and Alabama still barely won. We are much the more physical defense than Georgia. And better conditioned. And probably deeper.

    6). I am not sure that I would say that Alabama is clearly better than either Stanford or Oklahoma. Stanford's as tough, and Oklahoma's as fast or faster. Both are better than Georgia, even though Georgia is a good football team.

    7). Alabama is VERY "simple" which is what Saban wants. They are a one-trick pony, albeit a powerfully effective one. Their entire game is brutal muscle. Georgia could not stand up to it. Texas A&M somehow could. The issue is: can Big Lou, Tuitt, and KLM look those guys in the eye and smile and shrug "bring it on"? Can Manti, Prince, Dan/Carlos, and Danny meet the two RBs at the holes and throw them down. Georgia couldn't; we're stronger. We'll see.

    Anyone who assumes that this is going to be an obvious SEC win will be speaking purely from biased stupidity and emotionalism. Alabama rushing power vs. Notre Dame front seven power might create supercollider fusions leading to Black Holes in Miami.



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    Re: Strength of Schedule

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    Yeah, I mean they just played and beat two BCS conference champions.

    Come on now, stop disrespecting Alabama. Notre Dame was a good team, that played a fantastic team. Notre Dame deserved to play for a national championship and they played a high SoS, and nothing but BCS schools. It wasn't an easy schedule.
    Really? Byu, Wake, Pitt, were good schools? Even Ok was proven to be substandard. The ONE DECENT school was Stanford. And even that was a close game that perhaps ND was helped with winning. After every "big" school that ND beat lost in bowl games ,except the Trees, how can you say they played a high SOS? I'm not saying they shouldn't have been in the BCSCG and I'm not dissing Bama for sure. I'm just saying their SOS, in reality, wasn't that great. IMO Bama played a much tougher schedule.

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