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    Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    If I didn't like them before I really don't like them now. I hope we crush them. Those type things I do not stand for whatsoever! If are willing to sweep that under a rug then I hope they never find their way back from the bottom after Bama destroys them.

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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoINIrishFan View Post
    I am very disappointed you come to this conclusion without all the facts. It would seem one would want to do the research necessary to support such claims. Were these tragedies? Unquestionably. Were there crimes committed? There were not. People might not like the answers they've been given, but that doesn't make the events, or lack of events, a crime.
    I don't think it's realistic to ask the world to wait to see if there are convictions. The harassing texts sent to the girl are out there in the public domain. You can read them, if you want to make the effort. When the texts are placed in juxtaposition to the official releases, I'm not required to act like I'm a moron. PSU initially took the deny, deny, deny track - and where did it get them in the end? A young girl is dead. A member of the football team - with a history - is involved deeply, one way or the other. What ND needs to do at this point is to scrape away at the wound and try to find truth. Smearing the decedent and her family isn't going to work. PSU tried that. We have mechanisms in place to keep this from happening, and they evolved from sad history - and they predate Saban, although he has strengthened the system. This is something Notre Dame needs to face up to and make a clean slate. If they don't, what the non-catholic world is going to conclude is that it's the same old story as priest abuse - cover it up. That is the medicine, sour as it might taste...
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    Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoINIrishFan View Post
    I am very disappointed you come to this conclusion without all the facts. It would seem one would want to do the research necessary to support such claims. Were these tragedies? Unquestionably. Were there crimes committed? There were not. People might not like the answers they've been given, but that doesn't make the events, or lack of events, a crime.
    So sexual assault isn't a crime in Soutg Bend. I guess they really do play by a different set of rules...

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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Somebody is drinking the green kool-aid. So, Irish poster, are you saying the victims are lying?

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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoINIrishFan View Post
    There are hundreds of links to dispute the claim. This event has been hashed and re-hashed. If there is genuine interest in knowing everything surrounding this tragedy, it can be easily searched for. My disappointment is from this posting, without having done the perquisite research on the subject to know all that can be known about the situation. This happened 2 years ago. Funny how a national game can be a springboard for a fledgling writer, no matter the cost.

    I'm certain, no matter the accusation, Alabama fans would be taken aback by a grandstanding article about their institution.
    Your comment proves Tide-HSV was correct there was a cover-up since as you state it took place 2 years ago and is just now becoming "public" for the most part. You are correct it took this big of a stage to get someone to come forward to try to shed light on a subject that was in the dark.

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    Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by TiderJ View Post
    Your comment proves Tide-HSV was correct there was a cover-up since as you state it took place 2 years ago and is just now becoming "public" for the most part. You are correct it took this big of a stage to get someone to come forward to try to shed light on a subject that was in the dark.
    You are correct! It shouldn't have ever come to it.

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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    The article kept mentioning that Lizzy died, but did it say how she died? Maybe I just missed it, but I didn't see a cause of death. Was it suicide?

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    Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by bamabomber View Post
    The article kept mentioning that Lizzy died, but did it say how she died? Maybe I just missed it, but I didn't see a cause of death. Was it suicide?
    Yes

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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I don't think it's realistic to ask the world to wait to see if there are convictions. The harassing texts sent to the girl are out there in the public domain. You can read them, if you want to make the effort. When the texts are placed in juxtaposition to the official releases, I'm not required to act like I'm a moron. PSU initially took the deny, deny, deny track - and where did it get them in the end? A young girl is dead. A member of the football team - with a history - is involved deeply, one way or the other. What ND needs to do at this point is to scrape away at the wound and try to find truth. Smearing the decedent and her family isn't going to work. PSU tried that. We have mechanisms in place to keep this from happening, and they evolved from sad history - and they predate Saban, although he has strengthened the system. This is something Notre Dame needs to face up to and make a clean slate. If they don't, what the non-catholic world is going to conclude is that it's the same old story as priest abuse - cover it up. That is the medicine, sour as it might taste...
    I think Notre Dame handle it in the best way they knew how, with the information Ms. Seeberg gave them. Here is a snippet from the Prosecutor's office:

    Contact: Michael A. Dvorak Prosecuting Attorney
    235-9618
    Charging Decision Made inSeeberg Allegations South Bend, IN-
    Our office has concluded its review of the investigation into the allegations made by Elizabeth See berg concerning events occurring on August 31, 2010 and September 2, 2010 in S1.Joseph County, Indiana.
    The reports on this matter were prepared by Notre Dame Security Police Department (NDSPD), who investigated the allegations made by Ms. See berg and presented these reports to our office on November 17,2010.
    Together with deputy prosecutors from my office, we have reviewed the police reports and conducted research into Indiana law on several issues raised by this investigation.
    Further, we met with the parents of Elizabeth Seeberg and their attorney on December 1, 2010 and discussed with them much of the contents of the investigation.
    There were two separate allegations made by Ms. Seeberg against two separate individuals, both of whom were students at the University of Notre Dame and one of which who was also an athlete.
    First, there was the allegation of Sexual Batter/, specifically the touching of her breasts. Secondly, there was a complaint about text messages received by Ms. Seeberg. She never made an allegation of rape nor does the evidence even suggest a rape occurred as some media outlets have mistakenly reported.


    office has declined to file criminal charges against either of the two individuals named in this investigation, and we decline to identify these individuals as they are not being charged with any crimes.

    The investigation by NDSPD included the collection of evidence and the statements of event witnesses. This includes two statements from Ms. Seeberg, statements from the two suspects, and a statement from a female friend, all of whom were present during the evening of August 31, 2010. Only Ms. Seeberg and the student-athlete were present during the alleged battery. Conflicts exist among the witnesses' accounts of the events given to the police. Subpoenaed cell phone records are inconsistent with parts of the complaint itself.
    Police also recovered the text messages of September 2, 2010 between Ms. Seeberg and the student who sent them. The content of the text messages sent does not rise to the level of a criminal act as defined by Indiana's Harassment statute.2 The student subjectively believed Ms. Seeberg's complaint was false and therefore he had a legitimate purpose for his text messages.

    Interpret that as you will. I didn't accuse you of being a moron, because I know differently, but I was disappointed in the one sided shot of this magnitude.

    I think more importantly, is the public's rush to condemn, without a shred of fact or truth. Was this a tragedy, undoubtedly, but I don't see how ND smeared the young girl at all. What I do see is others wanting a pound of flesh for this tragedy, as they do with most everything now. Give the public their blood, whether it is appropriate or not, and then they'll sort it out after they've been sated. It's a sad state of affairs.





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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by bamabomber View Post
    The article kept mentioning that Lizzy died, but did it say how she died? Maybe I just missed it, but I didn't see a cause of death. Was it suicide?
    Yes, and it's not stale. It was a lead story on national ABC news tonight...
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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTideMang View Post
    That's kind of harsh. Sure better safety measures should have been taken to prevent his fall, but I wouldn't say BK killed the kid...maybe more like he holds some responsibility in the kid's death.

    ND definitely has its share of dark secrets, but Catholicism hasn't had a very good light shined on it in some time. What can be done?
    From what I understand Declan didn't want to go up the scissor lift to record that day because of wind. I could be completely wrong, but I thought it came out that Kelly and/or the staff encouraged him to climb despite the dangerous conditions.
    Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice? Congratulations, you'd probably make a pretty good con-man.

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    Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Yes, and it's not stale. It was a lead story on national ABC news tonight...
    Wonder if it will get any airplay on NBC?


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    Re: Just one more reason to be glad you have Saban & Mal running our program...

    No sir, you are mistaken. There was no cover up. This was front page news 2 years ago. If you do a search, you can see the dated articles for yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by TiderJ View Post
    Your comment proves Tide-HSV was correct there was a cover-up since as you state it took place 2 years ago and is just now becoming "public" for the most part. You are correct it took this big of a stage to get someone to come forward to try to shed light on a subject that was in the dark.

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