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    Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    This was an interesting writeup about the classic 1973 Sugar Bowl. Appears quite accurate except that John Mitchell was not on the 73 team. I did not know the story about Parseghian and the punter before the game.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/sp...anted=all&_r=0

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    ND roughed our punter on the kick that put ND on their 1-yard-line.
    Bryant declined the penalty, thinking our defense would hold them.
    The roughing call was a personal foul, so our offense would've gotten an automatic first down.
    I don't think I have seen a game before or since where a coach declined an automatic first down.
    Truly, truly strange.

    I am glad, though, the NYT had the decency to describe the circumstances surrounding the 1973 championship.
    It was earned. I do not know how many times I have tried to describe this to the auburn rats I work with. Since earning a regular season national championship is not something they've been brainwashed to understand, they simply cover their ears and say "La La La La." Very strange people.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Bruce, Rutledge got sacked on third down. Maybe the rule has been changed, but at the time the explanation is it would have 4th and 2 or 3. Still, it was an interesting decision by the coach.

    Another mistake in the story: Clemens was only a junior. Sonovagun beat us again next year, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce014 View Post
    ND roughed our punter on the kick that put ND on their 1-yard-line.
    Bryant declined the penalty, thinking our defense would hold them.
    The roughing call was a personal foul, so our offense would've gotten an automatic first down.
    I don't think I have seen a game before or since where a coach declined an automatic first down.
    Truly, truly strange.

    I am glad, though, the NYT had the decency to describe the circumstances surrounding the 1973 championship.
    It was earned. I do not know how many times I have tried to describe this to the auburn rats I work with. Since earning a regular season national championship is not something they've been brainwashed to understand, they simply cover their ears and say "La La La La." Very strange people.
    Last edited by CrimsonEyeshade; December 8th, 2012 at 08:48 PM.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce014 View Post
    ND roughed our punter on the kick that put ND on their 1-yard-line.
    Bryant declined the penalty, thinking our defense would hold them.
    The roughing call was a personal foul, so our offense would've gotten an automatic first down.
    I don't think I have seen a game before or since where a coach declined an automatic first down.
    Truly, truly strange.

    I am glad, though, the NYT had the decency to describe the circumstances surrounding the 1973 championship.
    It was earned. I do not know how many times I have tried to describe this to the auburn rats I work with. Since earning a regular season national championship is not something they've been brainwashed to understand, they simply cover their ears and say "La La La La." Very strange people.
    Not so sure about the roughing the kicker.

    You're essentially saying that Bryant passes up a first down at roughly midfield, hoping to pin the opponent and eventually get the ball back at not too far from that position? Three downs, whatever the opponents do with them, and about two minutes later? With about four minutes left when he makes the decision? That just doesnt pass the smell test.

    At the time, there were two varieties of the penalty...a five-yard version, and a 15-yarder. As I remember it, we had 4th and 10 or so, and the call was running into the kicker, 10 yards and a first down different from roughing the kicker. We had a choice of 4th and 5, or the Irish pinned at their own two.

    We properly (in my untutored opinion) took the play over a one-time shot at a first down that, even if we had made it, would have guaranteed nothing.

    It was a great game. And at 24-23, there are at least a dozen woulda-coulda-shouldas that would have turned it the other way...for either team. Nobody made any illogical coaching decisions. The Irish just made a play when they had to.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    RTP was not an automatic first

    Today we would have been awarded 30 yards and the punter would have been out for 4 weeks battling "Concussion-Like" symptoms

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by TD10 View Post
    This was an interesting writeup about the classic 1973 Sugar Bowl. Appears quite accurate except that John Mitchell was not on the 73 team. I did not know the story about Parseghian and the punter before the game.
    Thanks for the link, TD10.

    I attended that milestone game. Tickets were not hard to get. A large local New Orleans bank had plenty. I was able to make several purchases and send to a friend in Mobile for her company associates. I was her hero. Now, I would scalp them.

    The weather was much as described, i.e., rain off & on. But, not bitterly cold. Large black trash bags made good raincoats, by cutting a head hole. We stayed pretty dry.

    Oh! I still have my rain stained pennant from the game. Roll Tide!
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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by banjeaux View Post
    Thanks for the link, TD10.

    I attended that milestone game. Tickets were not hard to get. A large local New Orleans bank had plenty. I was able to make several purchases and send to a friend in Mobile for her company associates. I was her hero. Now, I would scalp them.

    The weather was much as described, i.e., rain off & on. But, not bitterly cold. Large black trash bags made good raincoats, by cutting a head hole. We stayed pretty dry.

    Oh! I still have my rain stained pennant from the game. Roll Tide!
    KO temps were around 40 with a stiff breeze

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce014 View Post
    ND roughed our punter on the kick that put ND on their 1-yard-line.
    Bryant declined the penalty, thinking our defense would hold them.
    The roughing call was a personal foul, so our offense would've gotten an automatic first down.
    I don't think I have seen a game before or since where a coach declined an automatic first down.
    Truly, truly strange.

    I am glad, though, the NYT had the decency to describe the circumstances surrounding the 1973 championship.
    It was earned. I do not know how many times I have tried to describe this to the auburn rats I work with. Since earning a regular season national championship is not something they've been brainwashed to understand, they simply cover their ears and say "La La La La." Very strange people.
    Roughing the punter was not an automatic first down in 1973. It would have been 4th down and 5 to go for a first if Coach Bryant had accepted the penalty--or--decline the penalty and try to pin Notre Dame against their end zone following a long punt.
    Last edited by Bama1985; December 8th, 2012 at 11:00 PM.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by TD10 View Post
    This was an interesting writeup about the classic 1973 Sugar Bowl. Appears quite accurate except that John Mitchell was not on the 73 team. I did not know the story about Parseghian and the punter before the game.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/sp...anted=all&_r=0

    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama1985 View Post
    Roughing the punter was not an automatic first down in 1973. It would have been 4th down and 5 to go for a first if Coach Bryant had accepted the penalty--or--decline the penalty and try to pin Notre Dame against their end zone following a long punt.
    Yep, remember it well, I was in the far end zone and still remember predicting Bear would decline it. Still hate the third down pass.............

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    Was watching the game while shooting pool on my friends new Christmas present--remember thinking the missed PAT could come back to haunt!

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    I was at that game. I think the rule in 1973 was an automatic first down, but I could be wrong. However, my recollection was that Alabama could have accepted the penalty and had a first down. Again, I could be wrong. The buzz in the stands was that it was a brilliant call that also took guts on Bryant's part. We were very worried that the strategy would work.

    Tom Clements was a junior, not a senior.

    Robin Weber is my classmate, a good guy, self-effacing, and funny. I'm pretty sure he is joking about not having a pass thrown to him in practice. The way he tells the story about looking up and seeing the ball coming toward him in private is funnier than what was written in the NYT.

    Had not heard about Coach Bryant coming into our locker room before. That was a high class move.

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    Re: Good story about the 1973 Sugar Bowl

    It was a 5 yard penalty and not an automatic 1st down unlike now when it's an automatic 1st down 15 yard PF. Bear would not have declined a 1st down in the middle of the field; hence there really wasn't a decision other than kick it and try to pin them deep.

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