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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by bamawind View Post
    Watch the replay of Bo over the top in slow motion. He didn't get in. Too bad no instant replay.
    Did you have an angle down the goal line? I watched this 30 for 30, and the angle that they showed was far from conclusive, but it appeared that he was in.

    As for the show, Bo came across as having a very large ego to go along with his talent. Several times he told the interviewer how talented he was, and how gifted he was. He did not need to do so in this context, as the entire episode was all about his gifts.

    Glad I watched it - so many of these are negative - this one was very positive.

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Enjoyed the show.

    Something telling that stuck out: David Housel said: "When Bo went over the top that was probably the biggest single play in Auburn football history."

    Just a nugget that suggests what we know: Auburn beating Alabama is the most important thing to them.

    FWIW, when he went over the top and drew the initial contact he spun and that second effort looks to be when he crossed the goal line. Also, both line judges were in perfect position to see the line being broken.

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    I beleive Perkins fired Ken Donahue when he didn't land Bo. Ken Donahue was one of the best defensive coaches there has ever been at Alabama.

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    In response to a number of posters here regarding numerous things:


    1) The late Ken Donahue has ADMITTED that he made NO PROMISES to Bo Jackson, for the simple reason that neither he nor Coach Bryant made promises they could not keep. A number of folks here have probably posted at TI, and this story was told years ago over there.

    2) Auburn sort of fell into Bo Jackson scholarship-wise by accident. They were actually higher on a guy named Alan Evans. In fact, had it been just a bit earlier when Auburn was serving sanctions, they would have chosen Evans and not signed Bo.

    3) As far as the allegation of payments - it is one thing to say "Auburn has paid players." That can be substantiated quite easily even if we don't consider Cam Newton. But it does not follow that therefore Bo Jackson was paid to come to Auburn. During the Ramsey scandal, Jackson was specifically asked whether or not he was paid and denied it. That, of course, does not mean he's telling the truth, but unless you have some sort of evidence to substantiate the charge, it might be best to not make it.

    4) Bo Jackson was a truly awesome athlete. No, he would not have made the professional Hall of Fame of EITHER baseball OR football - but I DO think he would have if he had concentrated on just one sport.

    5) Whether or not Bo made it over the top or not is largely irrelevant. The refs called it a TD, and it will go down in history as a TD. That said - Bo nearly became the biggest goat in the game. Auburn got the ball back and needed to just run out the clock. On a short play, they called again for "Bo Over The Top." He FUMBLED the ball, and we recovered it needing only a FG to win. Unfortunately, we didn't do it, and as Tide graduate (and author Scot Brown said in "The Uncivil War") it "unleashed a decade of Pat Dye acting childish in the face of success."

    Bo was a truly great athlete. Didn't see the show, but he even went hunting and caught some huge deer that made "The Sporting News" during the whole "Bo Knows" thing. I did love Wayne Gretzky: "No!"
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Rama Jama View Post
    I beleive Perkins fired Ken Donahue when he didn't land Bo. Ken Donahue was one of the best defensive coaches there has ever been at Alabama.
    Bo was at Auburn while Perkins was still coaching the New York Giants.
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    Enjoyed the show.

    Something telling that stuck out: David Housel said: "When Bo went over the top that was probably the biggest single play in Auburn football history."

    Just a nugget that suggests what we know: Auburn beating Alabama is the most important thing to them.

    FWIW, when he went over the top and drew the initial contact he spun and that second effort looks to be when he crossed the goal line. Also, both line judges were in perfect position to see the line being broken.
    Pat Dye also compared the Iron Bowl being moved to Auburn for the December 2, 1989 game as similar to the Berlin Wall coming down a month earlier.

    Talk about ridiculous comparisons.
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by AlBamaWagg View Post
    Well, it had to happen. Someone mentioned Bo Jackson and that aubarn basketball player in the same story.
    Bo IS a role model.
    You completely missed the point. I certainly know about Charles. And he frequently showed his attitude when playing basketball drawing many technicals and in general acted like a 2 year old who threw a temper tantrum. Charles would throw the basketball up into the rafters at our gym when he did not like the call. Bo was class and his mom kept him in check. THE POINT was it was hard to play for a state championship in your classification when you have all stars at other small 3A schools.

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by BAMAFAN IN NY View Post
    Why are you saying bo knows about the pay system?? That doesn't even make sense.. He didn't go to Auburn for money
    It really does make sense, because it was institutionalized. They offered a friend of mine, who ended up playing LB at Bama, where his dad played. The standard pay was $1,000 per game, for the journeymen players (which would include my friend). He never mentioned incentives, but I'm sure they were in place. In fact, from what the ESPN four said (who could somehow never be located or interviewed by the NCAA again) it really sounds like the same old system, updated. The system permeated the whole program to the point that it'd be scarcely believable that any of the players didn't know about it. Don't forget that Barkley has freely admitted that he was paid while he played at AU...
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Don't forget that Barkley has freely admitted that he was paid while he played at AU...
    That's true. In fact, I saw it in "The Commercial Appeal" in 1988. Auburn was subsequently put on probation - both their basketball and tennis programs.

    Ultimate irony? Dye was in Boston presenting the findings of the internal investigation on the same day the Eric Ramsey story hit the front page of "The Montgomery Advertiser."
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Selma, not sure I'm following your thinking here. Would you mind elaborating?

    He FUMBLED the ball, and we recovered it needing only a FG to win. Unfortunately, we didn't do it, and as Tide graduate (and author Scot Brown said in "The Uncivil War") it "unleashed a decade of Pat Dye acting childish in the face of success."

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Bo knows bow hunting so I'm good with him.

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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEyeshade View Post
    Selma, not sure I'm following your thinking here. Would you mind elaborating?

    He FUMBLED the ball, and we recovered it needing only a FG to win. Unfortunately, we didn't do it, and as Tide graduate (and author Scot Brown said in "The Uncivil War") it "unleashed a decade of Pat Dye acting childish in the face of success."
    In the 1982 game, Auburn got the ball back with a chance to run out the clock (about 1:45 or so left). Bo did the same play he had scored on and fumbled the ball. We RECOVERED the fumble, but we turned it over on downs and Auburn won, 23-22.
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    Re: ESPN 30 for 30: You don't know Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by 257WBY View Post
    Bo knows bow hunting so I'm good with him.
    My cardiologist is a very well-known bow hunter, international style. In fact, he's probably the only nationally-known cardiologist who also happens to be a bow hunter and black to boot...
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