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    Re: Chris Black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Love the Ping View Post
    No, they aren't that bad, but look at our numbers. White is out for the year. Bell may not be able to play. That's two key (and EXPERIENCED) guys right there. I don't know about you, but I really only have confidence in three guys to make a play (Cooper, Norwood, Christian Jones). If Black gives us a better chance than any of the rest of the guys available (Cyrus Jones, Shinn, Woodson), then go with him.
    my point exactly...we dont know he would give us that, and not make a critical mistake.
    IMO, better to go with the ones who got us here (Cooper, Norwood, C. Jones), and only even consider Black if theres was injury that made it a must.

    everyone is acting like he would be the difference in the game, yet he's never taken a snap in a game. We have plenty of experience at the position, I dont see him playing in the biggest game of the year, when he hasnt played all year...
    just my opinion, thats all.

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    Where in the world have you been? Didn't you used to post recruiting news/notes? Missed it...
    Just busy with life.

    I've been watching all the games, but haven't been on the boards as much. Got a little down time now, though, so I hope to interact a little more leading up to Jan. 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamafaninOhiO View Post
    my point exactly...we dont know he would give us that, and not make a critical mistake.
    IMO, better to go with the ones who got us here (Cooper, Norwood, C. Jones), and only even consider Black if theres was injury that made it a must.

    everyone is acting like he would be the difference in the game, yet he's never taken a snap in a game. We have plenty of experience at the position, I dont see him playing in the biggest game of the year, when he hasnt played all year...
    just my opinion, thats all.
    I don't think his ability is in question. He was obviously primed to be one of the top guys at the position prior to his injury. I'd rather he not play, just because I think the redshirt year is a good security blanket to have (for any number of reasons, not just injury).

    However, if one of the top three gets banged up, or we need another guy, I'd like it to be the best guy available. Black hasn't shown anything yet, but neither has anyone not named Amari Cooper, Kevin Norwood, or Christian Jones. My gut tells me that Shinn or Cyrus Jones are next up, but you never know. We may need someone who can come in and take the top off the defense. And heck, maybe Kenny will be able to come back and this whole conversation is moot. That would be the best scenario.

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    Re: Chris Black?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamafaninOhiO View Post
    my point exactly...we dont know he would give us that, and not make a critical mistake.
    IMO, better to go with the ones who got us here (Cooper, Norwood, C. Jones), and only even consider Black if theres was injury that made it a must.

    everyone is acting like he would be the difference in the game, yet he's never taken a snap in a game. We have plenty of experience at the position, I dont see him playing in the biggest game of the year, when he hasnt played all year...
    just my opinion, thats all.
    C Jones had never fielded a punt before the last BCSCG, but it became a necessity. I thought the odds were pretty good that he might get in the SECCG. Now that he didn't, I see him as used only in case of necessity. BTW, on the medical RS rule, no participation can occur in the latter half of the season, regardless of the number of games, so playing on 1/7 would cost a year of eligibility and he would have to meet the med RS rule next year (or whenever he became injured), so there is risk to him. There's no way around it. If he got injured in game four next year, having participated in the first three, then he would have lost both this year and next...
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    This is nit-picky maybe, but I think you can actually play in four games (of a 12-game regular season) and still qualify for a medical redshirt. Hightower got one in 2009 despite being injured in the fourth game against Arkansas (and he had obviously started all four games). Either way, hopefully CB is able to avoid all injuries in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love the Ping View Post
    This is nit-picky maybe, but I think you can actually play in four games (of a 12-game regular season) and still qualify for a medical redshirt. Hightower got one in 2009 despite being injured in the fourth game against Arkansas (and he had obviously started all four games). Either way, hopefully CB is able to avoid all injuries in the future.
    I cited the actual NCAA bylaw in another thread, but I'm not going to look it up again and repost. It really does read 30% of the games or three games, whichever is less. In addition, there can be no participation in the latter half of the year. The only way around it is if the NCAA grants a waiver in extraordinary circumstances, which is a very thin reed to depend on, given their inconsistencies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamafaninOhiO View Post
    are we that shallow at WR that we have to play a freshman receiver who was injured and has not taken one snap in a game, in the national championship game, and expect him to be the differnce in the game??

    Are the rest of our receivers that bad?
    Alabama lost White, Bell, Black and their third down running back.

    Bell is the top returning receiver from last year. White was an important part of the receiving game. Any team loses four guys you expect to be catching passes during the course of a season and they are going to be looking at all their options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I cited the actual NCAA bylaw in another thread, but I'm not going to look it up again and repost. It really does read 30% of the games or three games, whichever is less. In addition, there can be no participation in the latter half of the year. The only way around it is if the NCAA grants a waiver in extraordinary circumstances, which is a very thin reed to depend on, given their inconsistencies...
    It's actually NCAA bylaw 14.2.4 (c) : "In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport."

    30 percent of 12 games is 3.6 games, which rounds to 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love the Ping View Post
    It's actually NCAA bylaw 14.2.4 (c) : "In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport."

    30 percent of 12 games is 3.6 games, which rounds to 4.
    Good catch. I thought it said "less." However, I'd be very surprised if rounding were allowed, given the precision of the rule. However, the underlying proposition remains the same - there's no guaranteed RS if he gets injured again next year or the next. It still constitutes a risk to him of losing an entire year of eligibility for one game and that's the reason I think we only see him if it's a pressing need. By that, I mean that someone gets hurt or our present receiving corps is just not getting it done...
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    Well, like I said, Hightower played four games and got the waiver.

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    Re: Chris Black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Love the Ping View Post
    It's actually NCAA bylaw 14.2.4 (c) : "In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport."

    30 percent of 12 games is 3.6 games, which rounds to 4.
    Does that include post season games? If so, 30% of 13 games is 3.9 and 30% of 14 games is 4.2.
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    Re: Chris Black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Love the Ping View Post
    Well, like I said, Hightower played four games and got the waiver.
    That's a quibble - what that means is he still has to get injured in the very early part of the season or lose two years of eligibility, and as somebody astutely observed above. He doesn't have the frame and build that the pros look for in early draft entries, even if he does have impressive skills...
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    Re: Chris Black?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    That's a quibble - what that means is he still has to get injured in the very early part of the season or lose two years of eligibility, and as somebody astutely observed above. He doesn't have the frame and build that the pros look for in early draft entries, even if he does have impressive skills...
    Earle, I recall them rounding up and it being stated in an article explaining the rule surrounding one of the many injuries of the past. I wonder if he could play and then pay the same 2-for-1 penalty that Hanks paid for having played in 1 or 2 games in 2007? Like you said, probably too many inconsistencies surrounding the enforcement of the rules.

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