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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by davefrat View Post
    uva will join the ivy league before it joins the sec.
    And everyone would be better off... Except for the Ivy League of course who would have to deal with uva fans explaining why uva so much better than their schools (you'd need to spend some time around UVA fans/grads to understand).

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Does the state of Alabama produce 125 recruits every year for our five FBS teams?
    What kind of question is that?
    A: Alabama is already in the SEC.
    B: Three of Alabama's FBS programs are football welfare programs that only came to be at this level after the 85 scholarship limit. This is not the case for Oklahoma's two programs.
    C: Why in the heck would any Alabama fans want another Alabama in the conference?

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    Oklahoma started off as a highly ranked team. They played Notre Dame, and mind you both were highly ranked at the time. I'm not sure exactly what the ratings were but they fell below Alabama vs. LSU, A&M, and Georgia along with Notre Dame vs. USC.

    Oklahoma's strong point is broadcast and judging by the ratings numbers I've seen over the past few years they are not all that impressive at that. Once you start looking at a network they become worth far less. North Carolina is worth far more than they are to a conference for numerous reasons. Oklahoma was valuable back when it was just a network deal to be considered.

    So, what is Oklahoma bad at? Making their own decision. Providing recruits (they are a net drain, the FBS programs need more than the state produces). TV sets. Not making the SEC's SoS insane.

    The window for them really offering anything was before A&M joined. Now? They are a horrible fit. North Carolina's basketball program would be worth more than Oklahoma's football program to a network. That's not counting the huge difference in population/potential subscribers (the SEC is already in Texas so it's absurd to add Oklahoma to get into Texas). That's just one example but oh yeah... North Carolina is less likely to result in an SEC team limping on the field.
    Here is a link to the TV ratings for this past season: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012...e-this-season/

    UNC is on the list twice and Virginia three times. Oklahoma is on the list eight times.

    I'm not buying that UNC basketball is worth more than OU football. Football revenue dwarfs basketball revenue. The 20 biggest money makers in college sports: http://www.businessinsider.com/these...rs-2012-1?op=1

    Are there any highly rated basketball games before the NCAA Tournament?

    If you Google "which college football program has the largest fan base?" I think you'll be surprised. It's not Bama, but it's not Notre Dame either!

    I agree that North Carolina and Virginia are better recruiting areas than Oklahoma. I'm not sure of the relevance of OU not being able to make a decision. They play in a league owned by Texas and have no more choice than aTm had when in the Big 12.

    Merry Christmas to all. Roll Tide.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    Here is a link to the TV ratings for this past season: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012...e-this-season/

    UNC is on the list twice and Virginia three times. Oklahoma is on the list eight times.

    I'm not buying that UNC basketball is worth more than OU football. Football revenue dwarfs basketball revenue. The 20 biggest money makers in college sports: http://www.businessinsider.com/these...rs-2012-1?op=1

    Are there any highly rated basketball games before the NCAA Tournament?

    If you Google "which college football program has the largest fan base?" I think you'll be surprised. It's not Bama, but it's not Notre Dame either!

    I agree that North Carolina and Virginia are better recruiting areas than Oklahoma. I'm not sure of the relevance of OU not being able to make a decision. They play in a league owned by Texas and have no more choice than aTm had when in the Big 12.

    Merry Christmas to all. Roll Tide.
    UNC basketball is more valuable than Oklahoma football to the SEC where basketball NEEDS a boost while football has reached a point kinda like a pressure cooker ready to explode. Adding another major football power would just be insane. Any further expansion without the state of North Carolina with either the Tar Heels or NC St. IMHO would be a foolish endeavor.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Demographics and economics suggest that if the SEC was to expand to 16 teams, it would most likely look in southern and/or coastal regions, since that is where most of the population (and economic activity) is moving. While there is a "gentlemen's agreement that the conference will not take a school from a state that already has an SEC program, that might have to be set aside in the face of reality.

    Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, North Carolina and North Carolina State would be the most attractive candidates because of rapidly growing population centers in those states, along with more rapid economic growth and greater TV markets.

    I'm not saying that smart business decisions are driving any future expansion. It's just that if they do look to expand again, they'll take a hard look at the patterns and the data and maybe the "gentlemen's agreement" goes the way of the Big East.
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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    Here is a link to the TV ratings for this past season: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012...e-this-season/

    UNC is on the list twice and Virginia three times. Oklahoma is on the list eight times.

    I'm not buying that UNC basketball is worth more than OU football. Football revenue dwarfs basketball revenue. The 20 biggest money makers in college sports: http://www.businessinsider.com/these...rs-2012-1?op=1

    Are there any highly rated basketball games before the NCAA Tournament?

    If you Google "which college football program has the largest fan base?" I think you'll be surprised. It's not Bama, but it's not Notre Dame either!

    I agree that North Carolina and Virginia are better recruiting areas than Oklahoma. I'm not sure of the relevance of OU not being able to make a decision. They play in a league owned by Texas and have no more choice than aTm had when in the Big 12.

    Merry Christmas to all. Roll Tide.
    So what's Louisville doing that Kentucky is not? $40M vs. $18M. Same state to boot. No one else in the country comes close.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    Here is a link to the TV ratings for this past season: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012...e-this-season/
    This is football ratings. I've poured over the numbers for years. We're talking about the SEC. If this was the Big East, MWC, C-USA, MAC, etc... Oklahoma would be the better addition simply because those conferences have a need for a top football "brand". The SEC has all the football brands it can sustain at this point, basically you can only diminish one brand in place of another. So, if Oklahoma was to join that would only damage the Arkansas, LSU, A&M, or Oklahoma brand. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you can't take the top teams from the Southwest, SEC, and Big 8 and throw them in a conference together and expect all the teams accustomed to being in the top 3 of their conference to remain that way. It's simple math. I've seen times people here heavily disparaged Arkansas, and even A&M and that is because both suffered from a powerful conference that pushed them below their traditional levels. They are historically top 20 teams, but when two of them play each other, one still has to lose.

    I've looked up numbers, and North Carolina's tier 3 revenue exceeds Alabama's, and of the disclosed schools was #1. Tier three is what would become SEC Network content. The trick is that basketball has more tier three games, so if you are as high profile as North Carolina's basketball program you offer up a lot of great network content. On top of that, they are in a much larger state, so they can bring in much more in subscriber revenue. Basically, they would be the best content provider and additionally they would bring in one of the largest subscriber bases.

    That leads into CullmanTide's point. The SEC could benefit from a basketball brand without upsetting anything. They are lacking in national basketball brands and UNC would really drive up interest. This means when it comes time to negotiate broadcast and cable deals they would still be adding because not only do they bring in a larger regional footprint, but they make the SEC basketball games more valuable. So, when you add it all together it isn't just that North Carolina is more valuable to a network, it's that they are much more valuable to the SEC. The truth is for the existing SEC programs, Oklahoma could be a net drain. They could damage existing football brands, and drain football talent. North Carolina? There are plenty of recruits, they are highly unlikely to damage existing brands, they would help the network, broadcast deals, etc...

    Notre Dame is a different equation (and even more unrealistic), because of a few factors. They are one of the few football powers out there that I think could actually improve the SEC's welfare. Otherwise, basketball schools are the way to go. Can you imagine the lunacy of a playoff with automatic entrants from four super-conferences and the SEC having half of the top programs? The other conferences would be giggling their way to a playoff, and the SEC would be happy it was automatic at all or else their brutal schedule might create a mess of 3 and 4 loss teams.

    Quote Originally Posted by RhodeIslandRed View Post
    So what's Louisville doing that Kentucky is not? $40M vs. $18M. Same state to boot. No one else in the country comes close.
    I believe the Big East only shares football revenue. So, Louisville was running an elite basketball program with 0 revenue sharing. North Carolina and Kentucky have to share everything but tier 3. It's just a reminder that yes, the elite level basketball schools do generate a reasonable amount of revenue.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by KrAzY3 View Post
    What kind of question is that?
    A: Alabama is already in the SEC.
    B: Three of Alabama's FBS programs are football welfare programs that only came to be at this level after the 85 scholarship limit. This is not the case for Oklahoma's two programs.
    C: Why in the heck would any Alabama fans want another Alabama in the conference?
    A. You mentioned Oklahoma's drain on the body count.
    B. Oklahoma has three FBS teams. (Tulsa).
    C. I like challenges. Why do you want another crappy football program? You keep pushing for Notre Dame, wouldn't they be a tough opponent every year as well?

    To be honest, I was happy at 12 and really don't want anyone else. I don't see UNC being the financial bonanza you do as TV sets there are divided between more than two schools.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    I like challenges. Why do you want another crappy football program?
    A: You're not playing.
    B: If I "have" a football program, it's Alabama and that's the only one I care about.

    Why do you want Alabama to lose more often?

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    I don't want them to lose at all. But I'd rather see them play Oklahoma than North Carolina. Why do you want the basketball team to lose more often?

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    I don't want them to lose at all. But I'd rather see them play Oklahoma than North Carolina. Why do you want the basketball team to lose more often?
    Because the football team would win more often. You and I both know that Alabama's national championship hopes are far greater in football than basketball.

    So it's the whole, I loved the Georgia game and want every game to be like that, huh? Entertainment value fans?

    Look, it's pretty simple. The more games like that, the more games Alabama loses. The more games like that, the more injuries. That's all there is to it. I understand the entertainment value, but I could care less. I'd love Alabama to win every game, by a huge blowout and every game to be boring as heck. That's because my interest as a fan is not in being entertained.

    Sure, put Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Texas, and Florida St, on the schedule. They'll fit. And enjoy watching Alabama never go to the national championship game. But, on the bright side you'll enjoy watching the train wreck take place...

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Just don't complain if we miss the playoff due to a weak strength of schedule.

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    Re: Alabama Fans Thoughts on Possibility of OU to the SEC

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Just don't complain if we miss the playoff due to a weak strength of schedule.
    I fixed it for you.

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