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    Re: Sports media and expert analyst...Quite often their logic is flawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Yeah, that was I was talking about in my previous post. They're more like Ohio State and I guess the biggest concern is whether Alabama is just more quick on the perimeter than they use to seeing. The size and speed of LSU's backs and receivers really killed Ohio State. Florida absolutely murdered their offensive tackles with their big, fast DEs.

    I just think that this ND team has a little better OL/DL talent than Ohio State. I do believe ultimately the combination of our ability to play physical like them with speed guys like Cooper and Yeldon looms large for them.
    Good insight. I think that the health of Williams on D and Jones on O in the middle is going to be very important to our whole game plan...
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    Re: Sports media and expert analyst...Quite often their logic is flawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    Yeah, that was I was talking about in my previous post. They're more like Ohio State and I guess the biggest concern is whether Alabama is just more quick on the perimeter than they use to seeing. The size and speed of LSU's backs and receivers really killed Ohio State. Florida absolutely murdered their offensive tackles with their big, fast DEs.

    I just think that this ND team has a little better OL/DL talent than Ohio State. I do believe ultimately the combination of our ability to play physical like them with speed guys like Cooper and Yeldon looms large for them.
    I disagree. Vernon Gholston was better than anyone on ND's roster. A LOT of those guys went on to play NFL ball.

    Not to mention 2006 had the best quarterback in college football, Antonio pittman, Chris Wells, Ted Ginn, Quinn Pitcock (first team all-american DL)... Easily just as much if not more talent on those 2 teams than ND.

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    Re: Sports media and expert analyst...Quite often their logic is flawed.

    that said, I'm not saying that this game will be just like those games, but the '12 version of UA is easily as good as the '07 LSU team and at least in the conversation of the 06 florida team. I think you'd be grasping at straws to say the '12 Golden Domers are a lot better than the 06 or 07 OSU teams. 06 OSU was objectively MUCH better in every way offensively and at least ND's equal defensively after 12 games with more NFL talent.

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    2012 Manti Te'o - 12 games, 103 tacks, 52 solo, 5.5 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 7 INT, 1 FR

    other than INT's, it's a wash. Theyre both good linebackers that were made to be gods by ESPN and the rest of sports media.
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    Re: Sports media and expert analyst...Quite often their logic is flawed.

    Comparing 2012 ND to OSU from 2006/2007 is unfair to all the pros OSU produces year in and year out. Most underachieving team in the country for my money on an annual basis (aside from this year). The media is making this game out to be a great matchup that ND can win and for the longest I was convinced they could hang with their defense and plodding offense. I'm slowly warming to the notion that we are going to see a repeat of the Michigan State game IF we can get after and put some licks on the QB.

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    Re: Sports media and expert analyst...Quite often their logic is flawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    You know, I just don't know.
    What little I've watched - Notre Dame does the little things right - not spectacularly, but right.

    At the same time, I have a hard time getting around that they played basically a Big Ten schedule and - at best - survived it.

    They barely beat a mediocre Purdue team.
    They barely beat a Michigan team that Alabama pulverized in a game that - in theory anyway - should have been one of our worst because of the rust.
    They did have the biggest win against Michigan State points-wise, but they scored fewer points against the Spartans than Indiana (who is annually terrible), Nebraska, or Northwestern.
    They barely beat the same Pitt team that lost to Youngstown State


    Oklahoma? How much can you read into the game? Oklahoma got called for stupid penalties, including one that cost them a rushing TD just before the half. The Sooners had ONE POSSESSION in the third quarter. Any Irish fan want to bet on the number the Tide gets being higher?

    Plus Oklahoma's defense is ranked 43rd, giving up 24.2 PPG and the Irish still only had 13 points with six minutes left to play.


    So - who really knows?


    Look at Alabama's games and only THREE were close: LSU, Texas A/M, and Georgia.

    Incidentally, we had 2, 3, and 2 turnovers (plus the blocked FG) in those games.

    The first one was a win on the road that was close because of a turnover.

    The second one we were six feet from winning the worst game we played.

    The third one was the best game in the SEC in years.
    I understand your point, but I don't think this comparison is entirely fair. We always say that everyone gets up to play Alabama and gives us their best game. Well, everyone does the same to ND too. Similar to Texas A&M, they've gotten better as the year went on. I'm not saying you can't count those early games against Pitt, Michigan, etc - but they're a better team now than when they played them.

    They played a solid schedule. There was no UGA on their schedule, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they played good teams. Stanford is a good team, and their worst team played is better than our worst team played. And I don't see how we can nit pick that Oklahoma win. Yes, Oklahoma had a bad game, but let's give some credit to Notre Dame - they beat the tar out of them ON THE ROAD.

    Someone mentioned it earlier - the key is speed on the edge. I think this is going to be a harder fought game than any we've had this year. Nobody has been able to match up physically up the middle with us. I think Notre Dame can. We will have to consistently make plays in the passing game - I don't think we'll be able to count on gashing them five yards a rush like we could UGA.

    That said, i like us in a low scoring affair that everyone on the West coast cries about being boring on January 8. We won't care 17-6 good guys.

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