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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

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    You can't really scheme around guys in the middle of the field like a NT or ILB...you have to cope with them.


    HSV, I think they are talking about pinching their ends which they seemed to do a good bit. They like to have their ends fight into the B-gaps and use the OLBs to play outside contain. With their ends fighting between the tackle and guard, Nix controlling the A-gaps, and the OLBs setting the edge, it usually gives their ILBs a free run to catch the tailback who is stuck between the tackles or one of their DEs slips the blocks and hits the tailback at or behind the LOS.

    The best adjustment to that is probably the two-TE look we used against UGA. The play action to the TE rollout should be open because their OLBs will get sucked inside off the play fake. Also, getting the motion TE (H-Back usually) to the same side as the other TE allows you to play the numbers on an outside handoff because their DL will be fighting inside and there will be more blockers off tackle than they can handle.
    You and I were talking about this the other week, rgw. I also think we could have some "hat on hat" big run opportunities in the 2 TE set. If a guy like Vogler can come out and reproduce the game he had against UGA, watch out!
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

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    You and I were talking about this the other week, rgw. I also think we could have some "hat on hat" big run opportunities in the 2 TE set. If a guy like Vogler can come out and reproduce the game he had against UGA, watch out!
    I think the lights came on for him...
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    Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    If Notre Dame keeps two safeties back they are inviting trouble. I can't wait to see Warmack take out Teo, rtr.
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

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    I just caught the end of it, but a couple of the THs were saying that ND would "pinch us in" when we tried to run up the middle. I haven't quite figured out how you do that without emptying the flats and putting corners on an island. I like that idea, but I don't think ND will fall for using it. They will walk everyone up, just like all the other teams, because they have no choice...
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    I hope Volger finally has it come together. I think he's got a little more ability to be a passing game threat than Michael Williams who really maxed out his potential two years ago it seems. No offense to the guy, but he looked like the tight end who was only on the field to seal the edge in 2010 and he hasn't really developed much more beyond that since. With that said, he's as good of a blocker you'll find at the position. I just had some hope his pure athleticism would manifest into more dynamic ability as receiver.

    Volger may end up being the same type of player though. If he was really lighting it up as a receiver, I'd venture to bet he would have had some roles in the offense we haven't seen him do. It was definitely a positive to see him excel as a blocker in the SECCG and it bodes well in regards to at least getting a steady transition at Williams' former TE position in 2013.

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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Vogler has put on a lot of good weight the last 12 months. His development has been a pleasant sight.
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    You can't really scheme around guys in the middle of the field like a NT or ILB...you have to cope with them.


    HSV, I think they are talking about pinching their ends which they seemed to do a good bit. They like to have their ends fight into the B-gaps and use the OLBs to play outside contain. With their ends fighting between the tackle and guard, Nix controlling the A-gaps, and the OLBs setting the edge, it usually gives their ILBs a free run to catch the tailback who is stuck between the tackles or one of their DEs slips the blocks and hits the tailback at or behind the LOS.

    The best adjustment to that is probably the two-TE look we used against UGA. The play action to the TE rollout should be open because their OLBs will get sucked inside off the play fake. Also, getting the motion TE (H-Back usually) to the same side as the other TE allows you to play the numbers on an outside handoff because their DL will be fighting inside and there will be more blockers off tackle than they can handle.
    Good analysis and, as I said below, the lights seem to have come on for Vogler. He can make that go...
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    I hope Volger finally has it come together. I think he's got a little more ability to be a passing game threat than Michael Williams who really maxed out his potential two years ago it seems. No offense to the guy, but he looked like the tight end who was only on the field to seal the edge in 2010 and he hasn't really developed much more beyond that since. With that said, he's as good of a blocker you'll find at the position. I just had some hope his pure athleticism would manifest into more dynamic ability as receiver.

    Volger may end up being the same type of player though. If he was really lighting it up as a receiver, I'd venture to bet he would have had some roles in the offense we haven't seen him do. It was definitely a positive to see him excel as a blocker in the SECCG and it bodes well in regards to at least getting a steady transition at Williams' former TE position in 2013.
    Williams is one of those mysteries. He's had a couple of really neat receptions, at least one for a TD. However, he'll just flat drop an easy reception. It's not likely to reverse now. We really miss Smelley and what's interesting is that he wasn't counted on earlier because his blocking was not up to par. He managed to add adequate blocking and stayed a receiving threat...
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    I'm really hopeful that OJ Howard lives up to his grade on the recruiting services. We've gotten good production out of the position without getting an elite player there. I know a lot of the TE types these days are gravitating towards the spread passing attacks because they get an opportunity to be featured more...but Alabama has a very TE friendly offense if you don't mind actually in-line blocking a bit. I'm guessing most don't want to have to do the dirty work of the position.

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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    I'm really hopeful that OJ Howard lives up to his grade on the recruiting services. We've gotten good production out of the position without getting an elite player there. I know a lot of the TE types these days are gravitating towards the spread passing attacks because they get an opportunity to be featured more...but Alabama has a very TE friendly offense if you don't mind actually in-line blocking a bit. I'm guessing most don't want to have to do the dirty work of the position.
    I'm guessing you're exactly correct...
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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    You can't really scheme around guys in the middle of the field like a NT or ILB...you have to cope with them.


    HSV, I think they are talking about pinching their ends which they seemed to do a good bit. They like to have their ends fight into the B-gaps and use the OLBs to play outside contain. With their ends fighting between the tackle and guard, Nix controlling the A-gaps, and the OLBs setting the edge, it usually gives their ILBs a free run to catch the tailback who is stuck between the tackles or one of their DEs slips the blocks and hits the tailback at or behind the LOS.

    The best adjustment to that is probably the two-TE look we used against UGA. The play action to the TE rollout should be open because their OLBs will get sucked inside off the play fake. Also, getting the motion TE (H-Back usually) to the same side as the other TE allows you to play the numbers on an outside handoff because their DL will be fighting inside and there will be more blockers off tackle than they can handle.
    Good post. The extra TE's just gives the defense 2 more gaps to account for.

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    Re: Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    Quote Originally Posted by rgw View Post
    I'm really hopeful that OJ Howard lives up to his grade on the recruiting services. We've gotten good production out of the position without getting an elite player there. I know a lot of the TE types these days are gravitating towards the spread passing attacks because they get an opportunity to be featured more...but Alabama has a very TE friendly offense if you don't mind actually in-line blocking a bit. I'm guessing most don't want to have to do the dirty work of the position.
    I'm hoping he turns out in the likes of Austin Sefarian-Jenkins or Jermaine Gresham

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    Saban: We're not running away from Teo

    OJ will have to adjust. He dominated weak competition, but the fact remains he dominated. He has the size to really be special and I'm actually counting on that. I think Brent will grow into that HB roll. AJ has missed on a few throws this year. I feel if he gets his blocking down, the offense will be even more dangerous, and nearly unstoppable.

    As for Vogler, he's really stepped up. Him and Williams are devastating blockers and if you combine that with the offensive line, what do or can you do. The guy on ESPNU says that Georgia did not adjust early enough in the game and just took it. I really don't see how they could have. All we did is just line up and run. I didn't see anything too extravagant other than a lineman pulling every now and then. Everyone who was watching including those on the field knew it was coming and they still couldn't stop it. Then when they thought they had stopped it, it was only because the line was pass blocking for AJ over the top to Coop. I don't see in the replays of the game that gives ND too much of a clue to thwart the O-line. All we do is get hat on a hat and grind you in to powder. They'll have to jump out on a big lead and hope we don't com back with a vengeance, like the A&M game.
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