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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffAtlanta View Post
    The Orange Bowl wants to make money and NIU being in the game is going to make that almost impossible. I agree that NIU followed the rules that were set up, but it is easy to see how the Orange Bowl is disapointed that they were the bowl that got stuck with them.

    The rules are changing anyway, but the Big East should have been the entity that was penalized for this, not the Orange Bowl.
    Incredibly hard to follow the logic of "impossible to make money" when the Orange Bowl committee is also getting the bank from the Alabama/Notre Dame game.
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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    The biggest victim of the BCS rules is Florida. Ranked number 3 and being forced to play #21 Louisville.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    I'm confused as to how Wisconsin being in the Rose Bowl justifies Northern Illinois's inclusion in the Orange Bowl. Did you ever consider that neither one deserves to be there? You seem to be arguing that since Northern Illinois didn't do anything wrong, they deserve to be in one of the four top bowls. No one here is saying they broke the rules. But NIU clearly is not one of the top 10 teams in the country. No one thinks that. You don't think that. That's why they don't deserve to be there. The rules governing the BCS are foolish and reward mediocrity.
    Why are we acting like this is some new concept? The BCS rules were NEVER designed to place the top 8/10/etc. teams in the remaining bowls. Even before the major conferences let the middle ones in to keep from getting increased scrutiny, it was never designed that way.
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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Probably didn't do anything but speak the (perhaps alcohol-aided) truth. But that's not the sort of thing a host should say to a guest. NIU guy should've said "We didn't make the rules, you guys did. So shut up. Where's my check?"
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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    The biggest victim of the BCS rules is Florida. Ranked number 3 and being forced to play #21 Louisville.
    How is that being a victim?
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    Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    I'm confused as to how Wisconsin being in the Rose Bowl justifies Northern Illinois's inclusion in the Orange Bowl. Did you ever consider that neither one deserves to be there? You seem to be arguing that since Northern Illinois didn't do anything wrong, they deserve to be in one of the four top bowls. No one here is saying they broke the rules. But NIU clearly is not one of the top 10 teams in the country. No one thinks that. You don't think that. That's why they don't deserve to be there. The rules governing the BCS are foolish and reward mediocrity.
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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by BamainBoston View Post
    I'm confused as to how Wisconsin being in the Rose Bowl justifies Northern Illinois's inclusion in the Orange Bowl. Did you ever consider that neither one deserves to be there? You seem to be arguing that since Northern Illinois didn't do anything wrong, they deserve to be in one of the four top bowls. No one here is saying they broke the rules. But NIU clearly is not one of the top 10 teams in the country. No one thinks that. You don't think that. That's why they don't deserve to be there. The rules governing the BCS are foolish and reward mediocrity.
    You are putting words in my mouth (or in my posts). I am not justifying the one with the other - simply pointing out that this system put several very bad teams in BCS bowls this year. Everyone is focused on NIU. That is absurd. They had a better season, and are ranked significantly higher than the Big East or B1G representative. The travesty is not that NIU made it, but that Louisville and Wisconsin made it.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    How is that being a victim?
    Players prefer competing against the best but I guess some don't understand that.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    Why are we acting like this is some new concept? The BCS rules were NEVER designed to place the top 8/10/etc. teams in the remaining bowls. Even before the major conferences let the middle ones in to keep from getting increased scrutiny, it was never designed that way.
    That's probably why I complain about the BCS matchups ever year.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    You are putting words in my mouth (or in my posts). I am not justifying the one with the other - simply pointing out that this system put several very bad teams in BCS bowls this year. Everyone is focused on NIU. That is absurd. They had a better season, and are ranked significantly higher than the Big East or B1G representative. The travesty is not that NIU made it, but that Louisville and Wisconsin made it.
    "The system" didn't put Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. The transgressions of Ohio St. and Penn St. did.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    Players prefer competing against the best but I guess some don't understand that.
    I seriously doubt if you were to ask any player on Florida's team... they'd say they were victims because they're having to play Louisville. They might not like the fact they're in the Sugar Bowl (a valid complaint), but the concept of them being victims is laughable.
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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondDust View Post
    I seriously doubt if you were to ask any player on Florida's team... they'd say they were victims because they're having to play Louisville. They might not like the fact they're in the Sugar Bowl (a valid complaint), but the concept of them being victims is laughable.
    He's just saying they are victims of a system that made them play Louisville when they are the #3 team in the nation. Most competitors I know want to play the best.

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    Re: Orange Bowl rep to NIU: We didn't even want you here

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    "The system" didn't put Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. The transgressions of Ohio St. and Penn St. did.
    So you blame the BCS for letting in one team with which you disagree, but give it a pass with the other two? Okay.

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