View Poll Results: Should the BCS reward the BCS TOP 10 only?

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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    Whether you can cite examples or not, I don't agree with this premise. Playing and beating big time schools on a regular, repeated basis is what propels a team into the "big time", not winning one game.
    Yes, but where does it start? One great game can lead to opportunities to play other great teams. All that many need is an opportunity - a door opening just a crack to let them prove that they are capable of working hard enough to "belong". Sadly, just as some of these schools get their shot, they lose the coaches that got them there. What these schools lack is the money necessary to keep great coaches.

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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    Did you vote "no" by mistake?
    I guess so - I thought the poll was titled 'Is the BCS fair?' Dunno how I made that mistake.

    It ABSOLUTELY should be the top 10.
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    I voted not sure. Knowing Alabama's history kind of softens my stance on schools like NIU getting a chance to play big time programs. I understand the arguments against them and agree with them, but we were there once.

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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I guess so - I thought the poll was titled 'Is the BCS fair?' Dunno how I made that mistake.

    It ABSOLUTELY should be the top 10.
    Well you're an Admin...go change your vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    Well you're an Admin...go change your vote.
    LOL, can't do that.
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by mittman View Post
    ...we were there once.
    Yes and no. It's apples and oranges to compare the time when a sport is beginning to a time (100 years later) when the sport is well-established -- numerous teams were in Alabama's boat at the time. Also, discriminating against teams due to regional bias is not the same as discriminating against teams because of SOS bias.
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    I voted "No" by mistake. Looking at the poll, my mind read the question "Is the BCS fair".

    At any rate, bowl match ups have never been what they could be.

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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    What these schools lack is the money necessary to keep great coaches.
    And primarily, they lack the patience to develop the local fan support that will bring them the money they need.

    For example, NIU had average 2011 home attendance of 19K, which places them around #8 in the FCS (not FBS) attendance list behind the likes of Appalachian State, James Madison, Montana, Yale, Jackson State, Old Dominion and Delaware. Heck, South Alabama (new football program) averaged around 18.5K -- just two slots below where NIU would be in the FCS attendance list.
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    No - it would not have been even close to possible. Most bowls had contracts with conferences. The Rose Bowl would have been the exact same game, but the rest would have been very different from the games that you laid out.

    The SEC had contracts with something like 10 bowls. SEC teams had to go to those bowls, even if a better bowl opportunity became available.
    My point is -- is that beyond 1 and 2 -- the rest should try to pair up the best matchups as possible......

    I didn't say it should be those games specifically - I was just offering some ideas, i'm saying that you can work with the Big 4 (Fiesta, Rose, Sugar and Orange) and their alignments and have made this work.

    I think the SEC can put a clause in a contract with the Cap One, Peach, Cotton and Gator to say -- you get SEC 2, 3, 4 and 5 -- UNLESS they are invited to a BIG 4 Game....
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    Yes and no. It's apples and oranges to compare the time when a sport is beginning to a time (100 years later) when the sport is well-established -- numerous teams were in Alabama's boat at the time. Also, discriminating against teams due to regional bias is not the same as discriminating against teams because of SOS bias.
    I agree the situation is very different. They always are. It just softens my stance a little. SOS bias comes into play when teams cannot increase their SOS due to inability to schedule stronger opponents. I am not saying that is the case here. I am not sure who they have tried to schedule out of conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mittman View Post
    I agree the situation is very different. They always are. It just softens my stance a little. SOS bias comes into play when teams cannot increase their SOS due to inability to schedule stronger opponents.
    Not one team is stuck playing a conference schedule - all are able to go independent in order to schedule whoever they wish to play.

    But that's risky, takes guts and determination. Why do all that when you can just whine about an 'unfair system' until people throw you an undeserved bone just so you'll shut up?
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    FSU definitely deserved it the BCS. They won their conference and also proved that they were a quality team by hanging tough with Florida.

    NIU being in there was a joke. The sports media and pollsters conspired to jump them way too many places off of their win against Kent St., much like they conspired against Georgia in 2007.

    I am really looking forward burying the BCS six feet under ground after next season. I think how it will be once it is gone will be the most fair.

    But, yes, they did a great job with the title game.
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    Re: HOW the BCS should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Not one team is stuck playing a conference schedule - all are able to go independent in order to schedule whoever they wish to play.. But that's risky, takes guts and determination.
    Probably too risky in today's environment. I respect BYU for trying it (even though SOS was probably not the motivation), but my bet is they jump right back in a conference as soon as a decent offer is available.

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Why do all that when you can just whine about an 'unfair system' until people throw you an undeserved bone just so you'll shut up?
    I'm not sure NIU falls into the category of say BSU if that is what you mean. I don't see any level of pressure from their program to be considered elite. They just won and were there when the system put them there.

    Again, I don't necessarily believe they "deserved" to be there, or really have a solid opinion on whether the BCS should have been arranged in a way that allowed it. I just have some empathy.
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