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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    I don't understand all the incessant need to compare teams of different eras. Why can't we just agree that both programs were great and dominant for their respective eras?

    I remember watching those Husker teams as a teenager with a great amount of awe. I never rooted for them as they were not SEC, but I certainly respected them. Now, as a man, I have the same awe for Saban and what his Alabama teams have accomplished.
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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    I really thought 95 Huskers were the best team in the 90s, but I think in 97 they were the second best in the nation and heres why. in the 96 outback bowl we played Michigan with a very good offense and a decent defense. their defense was young but they were hard hitters and ball hawkers. we only won that game because of dwayne rudd taking to the house cuz they totally shut down shaun,curtis,riddle, and everyone on our offense. in 97 they fixed their problems on offense and were the most dominant team that year, wheras nebraska struggled mightly against a very down Big 12.

    As for comparing our 09 and 12 teams... I dont know what some of yall are seeing besides our oline and maybe McCarron, but I honestly think 09 was far better since we had Ingram and Richardson at running back, barron/Mcclain/Arenas/cody/Kareem/Darius/and Kirk on defense, Heap/Maze/ and julio at reciever. I know Amari is great but hes not Julio.....yet
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    Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    He is a better receiver than Julio, just not a better overall player just yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    As for comparing our 09 and 12 teams... I dont know what some of yall are seeing besides our oline and maybe McCarron, but I honestly think 09 was far better since we had Ingram and Richardson at running back, barron/Mcclain/Arenas/cody/Kareem/Darius/and Kirk on defense, Heap/Maze/ and julio at reciever. I know Amari is great but hes not Julio.....yet
    I'm not arguing either way, but the numbers are interesting...
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                    2009    2012
    Scoring O:      32.07   38.71
    Rushing O:      215.07  227.50
    Passing O:      187.93  218.00
    Total O:        403.00  445.50
    
    Scoring D:      11.71   10.93
    Rushing D:      78.14   76.36
    Passing D:      166.00  173.64
    Total D:        244.14  250.00
    I know MI and TR were amazing, but we had ~6% more rushing yards in 2012 than we did in 2009. Defensive numbers are comparable, if not better in most areas. If the two teams played, not sure what would happen, honestly.
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    Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I'm not arguing either way, but the numbers are interesting...
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                    2009    2012
    Scoring O:      32.07   38.71
    Rushing O:      215.07  227.50
    Passing O:      187.93  218.00
    Total O:        403.00  445.50
    
    Scoring D:      11.71   10.93
    Rushing D:      78.14   76.36
    Passing D:      166.00  173.64
    Total D:        244.14  250.00
    I know MI and TR were amazing, but we had ~6% more rushing yards in 2012 than we did in 2009. Defensive numbers are comparable, if not better in most areas. If the two teams played, not sure what would happen, honestly.
    Yeah it would be a good one. I think 2012 is better than most people want to give it credit for. The A&M game was an anomaly much like LSU last year, but not quite as much as LSU.


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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    I say if you line them up year by year our best to their best we destroy them. They were an option running team. What do we do best. Thats right stop the run.

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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I'm not arguing either way, but the numbers are interesting...
    Code:
                    2009    2012
    Scoring O:      32.07   38.71
    Rushing O:      215.07  227.50
    Passing O:      187.93  218.00
    Total O:        403.00  445.50
    
    Scoring D:      11.71   10.93
    Rushing D:      78.14   76.36
    Passing D:      166.00  173.64
    Total D:        244.14  250.00
    I know MI and TR were amazing, but we had ~6% more rushing yards in 2012 than we did in 2009. Defensive numbers are comparable, if not better in most areas. If the two teams played, not sure what would happen, honestly.
    But you have to look beneath the numbers (just playing devil's advocate here to arrive at a conclusion).

    1) The 2009 schedule was MUCH tougher (#2 in difficulty) - and that team went unbeaten.
    2) Despite the tougher schedule, they basically allowed one ppg more
    3) One can easily argue that because of the easier schedule:
    a) we ran the ball more to run out the clock and not run up the scores
    b) other teams were passing in desperation to get back into the game (that would explain both the better run and worse pass numbers on the 2012 D).
    4) The O-line this year was MUCH more experienced than that year.
    5) McElroy was a rookie QB while McCarron came into the year having already won a championship.


    The 2012 offense is better.....but against easier competition.
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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I'm not arguing either way, but the numbers are interesting...
    Code:
                    2009    2012
    Scoring O:      32.07   38.71
    Rushing O:      215.07  227.50
    Passing O:      187.93  218.00
    Total O:        403.00  445.50
    
    Scoring D:      11.71   10.93
    Rushing D:      78.14   76.36
    Passing D:      166.00  173.64
    Total D:        244.14  250.00
    I know MI and TR were amazing, but we had ~6% more rushing yards in 2012 than we did in 2009. Defensive numbers are comparable, if not better in most areas. If the two teams played, not sure what would happen, honestly.
    I do...the world would explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    I'm not arguing either way, but the numbers are interesting...
    Code:
                    2009    2012
    Scoring O:      32.07   38.71
    Rushing O:      215.07  227.50
    Passing O:      187.93  218.00
    Total O:        403.00  445.50
    
    Scoring D:      11.71   10.93
    Rushing D:      78.14   76.36
    Passing D:      166.00  173.64
    Total D:        244.14  250.00
    I know MI and TR were amazing, but we had ~6% more rushing yards in 2012 than we did in 2009. Defensive numbers are comparable, if not better in most areas. If the two teams played, not sure what would happen, honestly .
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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by snake plissken View Post
    I think 95 Nebraska is the best college football team in my lifetime. They punished everyone on their schedule and then destroyed one of Spurrier's best teams at Florida. That Florida team was undefeated and crushed everyone in the SEC that season, but could not stay on the field with Nebraska. I think that was the same Florida team that had Manning's Tennessee team down 35-0 at their place during the half.
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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    But you have to look beneath the numbers (just playing devil's advocate here to arrive at a conclusion).

    1) The 2009 schedule was MUCH tougher (#2 in difficulty) - and that team went unbeaten.
    2) Despite the tougher schedule, they basically allowed one ppg more
    3) One can easily argue that because of the easier schedule:
    a) we ran the ball more to run out the clock and not run up the scores
    b) other teams were passing in desperation to get back into the game (that would explain both the better run and worse pass numbers on the 2012 D).
    4) The O-line this year was MUCH more experienced than that year.
    5) McElroy was a rookie QB while McCarron came into the year having already won a championship.


    The 2012 offense is better.....but against easier competition.
    I agree with many of the points here:

    My quick synopsis of the 2 teams.

    Offense: Advantage 2012

    Quarterback: AJ is head and shoulders a better quarterback than GMac. He has a much stronger arm and the offense is able to do some things they could not with GMac at the helm. Take nothing away from Greg, he was a great leader and game manager, but the offense was limited with him at the QB position.

    Advantage: 2012

    Runningback: This will surprise a few people but I feel the tandem of Lacy (when healthy) and Yeldon are equal to the duo of Richardson and MI. The reason for this, is Lacy and Yeldon give Alabama two different type of backs, on the other hand, MI and Richardson were very similar backs in a lot of ways. I am also in the camp that believes that Yeldon has a chance to go down as one of the greatest backs in Alabama football history.

    Advantage: Push

    O-line: This is not even worth debating.

    Advantage: 2012

    Wide Receiver: Julio is the big name that stands out for most people on the 2009 club. As we all know, he is one of the greatest physical freaks to ever play the wide receiver position. Yet we sometimes forget that Julio's production in 2009 was not heisman'esque. This year Alabama brings a much younger receiving corps to the stadium, but one that is much more polished and has great "ball hawking" ability, particularly A. Cooper. I am a huge J. Jones fan, and he has come along ways since the 2009 season (just watch him this weekend eat up the Seahawks if you don't believe me!) but we are comparing him and their receiving corps from 2009. I think the advantage would go to the 2012 group but unfortunately injuries (Black, White, Norwood, etc.) ate up the group. Coopers is the reason they still get the credit that they deserve.

    Advantage: Push

    Defense: Advantage: 2009

    Linebackers:
    This years group of linebackers was a deep and diverse group made up of veterans (Johnson and Mosley) and young'uns (DePriest and Hubbard). This group played well together but sometimes had problems against the pass. The 2009 linebacking corps was made up of McClain, Reamer, Anders, Hightower (injured early in the season against Arky), and Harris. McClain was the signal caller of the defense and rarely if ever had the Alabama D in a bad position. This defense was notorious for checking 1-3 times pre-snap confusing the offense and getting the exact matchup/scenario that would disrupt the offensive play. No disrespect to this years group of linebackers, but if Hightower stayed healthy in 2009, this may have been as good of a group of backers Alabama has ever had.

    Advantage: 2009

    Defensive Line:
    Jessie Williams led the d-line at NG this season for the Tide. He is the strongest player in Alabama history and was seen on almost a daily basis in the gym for anywhere to 8-10 hours! No disrespect to Mr. Williams, but his strength did not always translate to domination in the A Gap, at least not to the extent of the next individual I will be discussing. In 2009, Alabama was led by a behemoth of a NG who had a very accommodating nickname, Mount Cody! TC dominated offenses and controlled the line of scrimmage with his great size, quick ball "get off", and quick hands and feet. He also saved Alabama heartache by blocking a field goal against Tenn. as time expired (and no Gary Danielson, his helmet coming off after the play should not have cost Alabama the ball game idiot...I digress). The '09 group also featured Deaderick, Dareus (I bet Texas wants that screen back and the football he shotputted into the Pacific Ocean), Davis, Washington, and Chapman. This years group featured Dial, Stinson, Pagan, Square, and Ivory. Both of these D-lines rated as well as anyone in the country, but the '09 group IMO controlled the line of scrimmage a tad bit better.

    Advantage: 2009

    Defensive backs:
    Similar to the O-line discussion, nothing here to even play devil's advocate about. 2009 in a runaway.

    Advantage: 2009

    In conclusion I feel it is very difficult to say who was the better team. They both play similar styles of ball and they both have strengths and weaknesses that each team would have exploited. The only truth that can come from an analysis of the two teams is this, 2009 had the more dominant defense and 2012 had the more explosive offense. If somehow those 2 teams could have combined their 2009 Defense with the 2012 Offense...hell they might have won a few ballgames.

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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by snake plissken View Post
    I think 95 Nebraska is the best college football team in my lifetime.
    I can buy this, although, I'd have '95 Nebraska and '01 Miami there together.

    Florida waltzed through the SEC, winning the SEC Championship game 35-3, going 8-0 in the conference, beating top 10 FSU, and the '95 Nebraska team set records blowing that same Florida team away. Their AVERAGE margin of victory was 39 ppg. That's nuts.

    And, they played a decent schedule - 4 top 10 teams, and beat them by an average of 31 ppg, with only one of them being a home game and three of them in a four week span.

    Of course, the hypothetical match up is impossible to have a "right" answer, but let's not forget how dominant that team was and just say "oh, they were just some good offense that didn't really play any defenses." They are arguably the most dominant CFB team in the modern era. Best? Who knows. But they destroyed everyone, even good teams.

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    Re: Alabama's Dynasty v. Nebraska Dynasty

    Pointless to compare teams nearly two decades separated. The game has evolved a lot even since 1995-1997.

    My comparison would be simply by results:

    In simple dominance by record, I believe Nebraska gets the edge. They went 49-2 in their 4 year run and narrowly missed out of a national title the year previous to their dynasty (18-16 loss to Florida State; 11-1 record). They were undefeated in bowl games over their four seasons and only Miami in 1994 avoided an absolute detonation at the hands of Huskers. Alabama had similar bowl domination, but Alabama went 49-5 in their four seasons.

    Their one knock in comparison to Alabama is that their titles weren't all consensus picks. They split with Michigan in 1997 though I believe Michigan would have struggled to contain them. It's hardly the Huskers fault the BCS didn't exist and their was no mechanism to pull Michigan away from the Rose Bowl. It is the reality though...they skirted from playing a #1 or #2 team in a bowl every championship season. Alabama had to beat a #1 or #2 team every single championship.

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